Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

Commuting with an aero disc cover?

Search
Notices
Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Commuting with an aero disc cover?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-15-15, 12:25 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 55
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Commuting with an aero disc cover?

Since the weather has been nice, I recently began commuting to the office twice a week with my Specialized Tarmac. The route I take is 25 miles one-way but is 80% bike path and with the only grade being a long bridge. I don't carry a backpack or any work related clothing since I store spare sets of clothes, shoes, and my laptop at work. I thought that maybe I could save some time and energy if I got an aerojacket from wheelbuilder.

Are there any negatives to running a rear disc cover that may be commuter specific? I'm relatively new to commuting and cycling as a whole, but I've read that there are a good amount of savings to be had from aero.
nitewing117 is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 12:54 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 5,721

Bikes: Kona Dawg, Surly 1x1, Karate Monkey, Rockhopper, Crosscheck , Burley Runabout,

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 854 Post(s)
Liked 111 Times in 66 Posts
Pics please? A solid wheel cover? Good luck with side winds. The bike path is not for racing anyway.
Leebo is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 01:12 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
tjspiel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 8,101
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 52 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 17 Times in 13 Posts
Somewhere on the interwebs is a list of cycling related time saving items and what each item would potentially save you on a 40k time trial. Everything from shaving your arms and legs to shoe covers.

I can't from memory tell you what a rear disc wheel or cover would save you but it's in the range of seconds, not minutes. It could be critically important in a race. Could mean the difference between reaching the podium or finishing back in the pack of also-rans. For a commute though it's probably not worth worrying about.

Edit: This may have used the same source and the page where I found it has other info, but this should give you an idea:




Interesting that a front tri-spoke saves more time than a rear disc. If you add it all up, it makes a significant difference, - depending on what you think of as significant. Whether it's worth it or not is another question.

Last edited by tjspiel; 06-15-15 at 01:26 PM.
tjspiel is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 01:16 PM
  #4  
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 10,002

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4338 Post(s)
Liked 2,980 Times in 1,617 Posts
Originally Posted by nitewing117
Are there any negatives to running a rear disc cover that may be commuter specific?
Do you consider being mocked relentlessly by other cycling commuters to be a negative?
DiabloScott is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 01:35 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 55
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'm sort of expecting it. I'm a recreational road cyclist that just so happens to ride to work which is why I posted this question here. I see it less of a commute or race and more of a training ride that happens to get me from home to work.

Last edited by nitewing117; 06-15-15 at 01:46 PM.
nitewing117 is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 01:39 PM
  #6  
Señor Member
 
Wilfred Laurier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 5,066
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 649 Post(s)
Liked 292 Times in 215 Posts
The one major drawback that should not be glossed over is the effect of sidewinds on a disc wheel. Strong sidewinds can make the bike unrideable.
Also, the chart above gives the potential benefit for an elite racer at speed - for a commuter on a bike path you are not going as fast and will not get nearly the same advantage. And if you are going fast enough that you will benefit from a disc wheel, you shouldn't be on the bike path. And if you are on a road with car you should definitely not have a disc wheel because of the effect of side winds..

If you are concerned about maximising your aerodynamic efficiency and speed, a clip-on aero bar (even the cheapest and ugliest ones) will make a much bigger difference than a disc wheel.
Wilfred Laurier is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 01:47 PM
  #7  
~>~
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: TX Hill Country
Posts: 5,931
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1112 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times in 119 Posts
Originally Posted by nitewing117
Are there any negatives to running a rear disc cover that may be commuter specific?
Like locking a rear wheel w/ a disc cover installed?

-Bandera
Bandera is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 02:03 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 55
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
In retrospect, I should have posted this in the tri subforum since I just realized that I treat this more of a training ride than a commute.
nitewing117 is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 02:39 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,744

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 525 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3230 Post(s)
Liked 3,868 Times in 1,439 Posts
The time effect on a commute will be negligible. You'll probably use slightly more energy with the disc cover since you start and stop a good bit while commuting and the disc fairing represents extra weight that you need to spin up each time (not a factor in time trialing).

Probably the biggest benefit of using the wheel, from a training perspective, is that you'll get that many more miles to adjust to the feel of riding with that wheel.
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 02:39 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,865

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2952 Post(s)
Liked 3,106 Times in 1,417 Posts
I also use my commute as training time and I've occasionally ridden my race set-up to work. Like if I've just glued up some new tubulars, I'd rather check the glue job on my Friday commute than during my Saturday race. And I know guys who occasionally ride their TT bikes on the commute, mostly to just spend time getting comfortable in an aero position. But other than checking out handling, I don't think there's that much benefit to using a disc wheel or wheel cover on the commute.
caloso is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 03:03 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 55
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Andy_K
The time effect on a commute will be negligible. You'll probably use slightly more energy with the disc cover since you start and stop a good bit while commuting and the disc fairing represents extra weight that you need to spin up each time (not a factor in time trialing).

Probably the biggest benefit of using the wheel, from a training perspective, is that you'll get that many more miles to adjust to the feel of riding with that wheel.
There's actually only about 8 stoplights in the whole commute, with 5 of them being within the first 5 miles and the remaining in the last 2. Thanks for the training perspective tip - the seat time with the wheel is probably worth it.
nitewing117 is offline  
Old 06-15-15, 04:16 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,744

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 525 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3230 Post(s)
Liked 3,868 Times in 1,439 Posts
Originally Posted by nitewing117
There's actually only about 8 stoplights in the whole commute, with 5 of them being within the first 5 miles and the remaining in the last 2.
It's definitely in the realm of negligible, but I would guess that spinning that wheel up 8 times uses more energy than its aerodynamic benefits save you (both being very small numbers).
__________________
My Bikes
Andy_K is offline  
Old 06-16-15, 03:41 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
jfowler85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zinj
Posts: 1,826

Bikes: '93 911 Turbo 3.6

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 109 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Leebo
Pics please? A solid wheel cover? Good luck with side winds. The bike path is not for racing anyway.
Concur. Is this a MUP you're riding? Are others present? That's not particularly responsible on a MUP to run at such a speed at which aero canards are beneficial.
jfowler85 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Banchad
Track Cycling: Velodrome Racing and Training Area
27
02-22-16 12:39 PM
thehammerdog
Triathlon
2
01-08-15 12:18 PM
8bits
Track Cycling: Velodrome Racing and Training Area
22
08-05-13 11:07 AM
ckhinid
Classic & Vintage
1
05-19-11 10:01 AM
CCrew
Triathlon
2
04-08-10 05:43 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.