Dirty custards ruined my best commute route!
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Dirty custards ruined my best commute route!
Please allow me to vent my frustration here
Headed out to work today to see that road crews had chip-sealed the best road for my commute! Signs include: "Loose gravel", "Fresh oil" and "Motorcycles use extreme caution"... How about cyclists use extreme caution! That poopoo is gnarly!
Headed out to work today to see that road crews had chip-sealed the best road for my commute! Signs include: "Loose gravel", "Fresh oil" and "Motorcycles use extreme caution"... How about cyclists use extreme caution! That poopoo is gnarly!
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They did the same to about a half mile section of my morning commute. Dang potholes are still there under the tar! Just harder to see.
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I hear you! I wiped out a couple months ago when they ground part of the road surface away, preparing for new asphalt... looking back on it now, I can see how it was my fault, but it sure didn't feel like that at the time. It sucks when they maintain the roads, but it beats the alternative.
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I am so glad that they rarely use chip seal to pave roads around here. I've ridden on roads (up North) that were newly chip-sealed, and it's a nightmare.
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The good news is in a few months it will be better, although if one is riding a skinny tire road bike it will be a bit harsher than regular asphalt.
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Most of the roads in my area a seal-coated. It's hard to argue with the economics. It reduces road maintenance quite a bit.
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They've improved the practices locally over what they used to do in the 90s. The stones are embedded deeper and the initial sweep of excess rock is done the same day after at least 3 passes of a roller. It's not as smooth as brand new pavement but not at all harsh to ride on (after the loose rock is cleaned up and proper aging), even on a skinny tired road bike.
Most of the roads in my area a seal-coated. It's hard to argue with the economics. It reduces road maintenance quite a bit.
Most of the roads in my area a seal-coated. It's hard to argue with the economics. It reduces road maintenance quite a bit.
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At least it was signed, so you knew what was coming.
I once wiped out on my motorcycle because some neighbors decided the entire dirt road leading to several houses was their own personal driveway. They covered it with several inches of gravel. Then they refused to pay for damages to my bike (or to the other neighbor's windshield which they broke when they spun out on their own gravel, kicking it up). A-holes.
I once wiped out on my motorcycle because some neighbors decided the entire dirt road leading to several houses was their own personal driveway. They covered it with several inches of gravel. Then they refused to pay for damages to my bike (or to the other neighbor's windshield which they broke when they spun out on their own gravel, kicking it up). A-holes.
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There are a few roads near me that I rode on about 10 years ago and they were very nice. Right around then, they did some really intense chip & seal and ruined them. Like really bad. 10 years later, they are even worse.
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My home is in Orangevale, which is a not officially a town but rather unincorporated Sacramento county. Recently they are getting set up to put in some speed tables, or as I like to call them, sweet launch ramps, along a nearby road... they improved the road about fifty feet on either side of the bump but left the rest of the road in its old cracked rotten condition.
In front of my house the asphalt has completely crazed and can be lifted out in chunks like a jigsaw puzzle. It makes a rumbly noise when driven upon. I thought the wheel bearings on my car were shot the first few times I drove on it, until I figured it out.
In front of my house the asphalt has completely crazed and can be lifted out in chunks like a jigsaw puzzle. It makes a rumbly noise when driven upon. I thought the wheel bearings on my car were shot the first few times I drove on it, until I figured it out.
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At least it was signed, so you knew what was coming.
I once wiped out on my motorcycle because some neighbors decided the entire dirt road leading to several houses was their own personal driveway. They covered it with several inches of gravel. Then they refused to pay for damages to my bike (or to the other neighbor's windshield which they broke when they spun out on their own gravel, kicking it up). A-holes.
I once wiped out on my motorcycle because some neighbors decided the entire dirt road leading to several houses was their own personal driveway. They covered it with several inches of gravel. Then they refused to pay for damages to my bike (or to the other neighbor's windshield which they broke when they spun out on their own gravel, kicking it up). A-holes.
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They chipsealed ALL of the roads near my house a few years ago. I had to switch to the foul weather bike, remove the fenders and put on my Big Apples.
They did one road this year, it just "forced" me to take the longer, more scenic road for a month.
I hate chipseal. In once case where they really overdid it, it made the road unrideable for over a month due to very deep loose gravel anywhere near the sides of the road.
They did one road this year, it just "forced" me to take the longer, more scenic road for a month.
I hate chipseal. In once case where they really overdid it, it made the road unrideable for over a month due to very deep loose gravel anywhere near the sides of the road.
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I seriously thought about doing something like that. In the end I decided that creating a huge feud with neighbors was not in anyone's interest... And anyway, once the rainy season came all their gravel washed away... Morons.
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Wikipedia:
Chipseals are constructed by evenly distributing a thin base of hot bitumen or asphalt onto an existing pavement and then embedding finely graded aggregate into it. The aggregate is evenly distributed over the seal spray, then rolled into a smooth pavement surface. A chip-seal-surfaced pavement can optionally be sealed with a top layer, which is referred to as a fog seal or enrichment.
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Although chipseal is an effective low-cost way to repair road, it has some drawbacks. Loose crushed stone is often left on the surface, owing to underapplication of bitumen or overapplication of stone. If not removed, this can cause safety and environmental problems such as cracked windshields, chipped paint, loss-of-control crashes (especially for motorcyclists, bicyclists and small trucks), and deposition of foreign material into drainage courses. Therefore, it is very important to sweep the road after the emulsion sets. As mentioned earlier,this problem can be minimized by using chips precoated with bitumen. Overapplication of emulsion can lead to bleeding, a condition where the excess asphalt rises to the surface, creating a very smooth surface that is very slippery when wet and bubbling in the hotter summer months. As cars drive over it the tires kick up this tarry substance on to the side of the car. It can only be cleaned off with a solvent remover or diesel fuel.
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Although chipseal is an effective low-cost way to repair road, it has some drawbacks. Loose crushed stone is often left on the surface, owing to underapplication of bitumen or overapplication of stone. If not removed, this can cause safety and environmental problems such as cracked windshields, chipped paint, loss-of-control crashes (especially for motorcyclists, bicyclists and small trucks), and deposition of foreign material into drainage courses. Therefore, it is very important to sweep the road after the emulsion sets. As mentioned earlier,this problem can be minimized by using chips precoated with bitumen. Overapplication of emulsion can lead to bleeding, a condition where the excess asphalt rises to the surface, creating a very smooth surface that is very slippery when wet and bubbling in the hotter summer months. As cars drive over it the tires kick up this tarry substance on to the side of the car. It can only be cleaned off with a solvent remover or diesel fuel.
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Wikipedia: Chipseals are constructed by evenly distributing a thin base of hot bitumen or asphalt onto an existing pavement and then embedding finely graded aggregate into it. The aggregate is evenly distributed over the seal spray, then rolled into a smooth pavement surface. A chip-seal-surfaced pavement can optionally be sealed with a top layer, which is referred to as a fog seal or enrichment.
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Although chipseal is an effective low-cost way to repair road, it has some drawbacks. Loose crushed stone is often left on the surface, owing to underapplication of bitumen or overapplication of stone. If not removed, this can cause safety and environmental problems such as cracked windshields, chipped paint, loss-of-control crashes (especially for motorcyclists, bicyclists and small trucks), and deposition of foreign material into drainage courses. Therefore, it is very important to sweep the road after the emulsion sets. As mentioned earlier,this problem can be minimized by using chips precoated with bitumen. Overapplication of emulsion can lead to bleeding, a condition where the excess asphalt rises to the surface, creating a very smooth surface that is very slippery when wet and bubbling in the hotter summer months. As cars drive over it the tires kick up this tarry substance on to the side of the car. It can only be cleaned off with a solvent remover or diesel fuel.
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Although chipseal is an effective low-cost way to repair road, it has some drawbacks. Loose crushed stone is often left on the surface, owing to underapplication of bitumen or overapplication of stone. If not removed, this can cause safety and environmental problems such as cracked windshields, chipped paint, loss-of-control crashes (especially for motorcyclists, bicyclists and small trucks), and deposition of foreign material into drainage courses. Therefore, it is very important to sweep the road after the emulsion sets. As mentioned earlier,this problem can be minimized by using chips precoated with bitumen. Overapplication of emulsion can lead to bleeding, a condition where the excess asphalt rises to the surface, creating a very smooth surface that is very slippery when wet and bubbling in the hotter summer months. As cars drive over it the tires kick up this tarry substance on to the side of the car. It can only be cleaned off with a solvent remover or diesel fuel.
They use something called the "Modified McLeod Design". In past decades it seemed like they'd leave the loose aggregate on the roads for weeks in order to have normal traffic to pack it down. Now it's rolled and swept right away. The results seem much better and the roads become safe for cycling again sooner.
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Basically it's a ligh duty paving method, where a thin layer of asphalt binder is applied and then covered with loose crushed stone "chips". The size of the stone chips varies tremendously from small gravel to stones over one inch. Either way the process depends on tires mashing the stones into the binder and setting them in place over a period of days or weeks. It works best in the summer where the binder stays warm and adhesive for a long time.
Unfortunately the finished road is never what anybody on a bike would consider smooth.
Search "chipseal" and you'll get better explanations of what it is, along with a bunch of photos
Unfortunately the finished road is never what anybody on a bike would consider smooth.
Search "chipseal" and you'll get better explanations of what it is, along with a bunch of photos
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I hate chipseal. I written several letters to local gov't folk asking that wait to do it until they've installed a well designed protected bikeway and sidewalk next to the road first. Generally hasn't worked but there are a couple of roads where they're postponing the planned 2015 chipseal until after bike paths are installed (one in 2016 and one in 2017).
I do wonder what impact it has on tire durability, especially lighter weight road tires. I'd guess impact is minimal on the Schwalbe Marathons on our city bikes but would seem to be significant on my road bikes.
I do wonder what impact it has on tire durability, especially lighter weight road tires. I'd guess impact is minimal on the Schwalbe Marathons on our city bikes but would seem to be significant on my road bikes.
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I realize I'm a little late to the party but I just saw this thread. I live in a small Midwest farming community, all the roads in town except the main highways are chipseal and everything outside the edge of town is loose limestone gravel. When a car goes by you have to get out of the tire tracks into 3 to 4 inch deep loose gravel that's piled along the edges or get run over. As it passes you're peppered with rocks up to an inch and a half and enveloped in an impenetrable cloud of light grey limestone dust and the limestone dust tears up chains and derailleurs not to mention your lungs and sinuses. Pretty much every bike I own is a gravel grinder. A "chipseal" road is heaven on earth for me, I can't even describe what a thrill riding on real blacktop or concrete is.
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Yes. Chip-sealed roads are a bear for a time. Being a 'fred' who rides a mountain bike, I'm less affected than a road bike would be. But it still requires careful riding for too long.
And I'll throw in a somewhat related complaint. My commute to work involves a pretty long stretch where I'm riding on the gravel shoulder of a 45 mph four-lane road.
For many years I was happy enough with that. Not a bad riding surface. Then, a couple of years ago, they came along and did some pretty widespread patching of that road. And they just tore the heck out of my bike lane. They made no effort at all to clean it up.
Scars from truck tires and bulldozer treads are still not healed properly. Plus there's all sorts of chunks of old asphalt. The size and shape of various potatoes. They even move around from day to day.
It's hard being odd-man-out vehicle-wise, isn't it?
And I'll throw in a somewhat related complaint. My commute to work involves a pretty long stretch where I'm riding on the gravel shoulder of a 45 mph four-lane road.
For many years I was happy enough with that. Not a bad riding surface. Then, a couple of years ago, they came along and did some pretty widespread patching of that road. And they just tore the heck out of my bike lane. They made no effort at all to clean it up.
Scars from truck tires and bulldozer treads are still not healed properly. Plus there's all sorts of chunks of old asphalt. The size and shape of various potatoes. They even move around from day to day.
It's hard being odd-man-out vehicle-wise, isn't it?
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