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    Re-thinking my strategy, changing priorities

    The uptown has been great. It's also slower than I'd like. It kicks butt for hauling stuff. Unfortunately it does not haul ass (aside from my own ). I've been thinking that I should next get a touring/road bike for purely transport rides where time is a factor.

    More on my plan later, as I've a seminar to attend presently.

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    Is the infinity NOS a new bike?

    (Edit) 2012 Breezer Uptown Infinity NOS. I get it now. My bad!
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    I have a Breezer Uptown 8 - most likely the 2015 model. If your Uptown Infinity NOS is the 2013 version, it's even heavier than mine!

    Breezer Bikes - Bike Archive | 2013 | Uptown infinity

    I also have an upgrade plan. This is what I'm having done now:

    1. Replace the stock handlebar with a trekking bar, in order to gain two more hand positions without the hassle of switching to a drop bar handle. I find this will be key to improving the quality of my 12-13 mile commute ride. Right now I deal with grip fatigue by palming the grips, leaning back to stretch my fingers a bit, and just shaking out my hands. Unfortunately, the only trekking bar the shop could get was a black colored one. On top of that, the shop doesn't have any bar tape in a color that matches anything on the Breezer. So I made the executive decision: If I'm going to have color mismatches, do it loud and bold! This bike will look really Frankenstein with the black trekking bar, and pink Lizard Skin bar wrap.

    2. Replace the stock pedals with MKS Lambdas to improve grip, especially when it rains.

    Longer term upgrade is to replace that Nexus 8 with an Alfine 11 to add more top-end gear range. I read before that the Nexus 8 has a 2-year warranty so I'll have the shop do the upgrade around the 2nd year of ownership. So far, my top flat speed of 22mph (28-30mph on descents) has been fine for riding with rush hour traffic.

    I'll probably have the stock brake pads replaced with Kool Stops around the time the shop owes me a tuneup (up to 12 months from date of purchase).

    I'm also going to get a road bike but because I plan to keep 2 bikes, it's not really an upgrade plan. The Breezer will continue to be used as my grocery fetcher and rainy day bike. It'll also be the bike I take when I go anywhere that I expect to leave the bike locked and unattended for more than an hour (work doesn't count because we have a secure bike room). The roadie would be my fair weather commuter and group ride bike.
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    Nitto makes a nice trekking bar in a silver finish. My lbs ordered one in for me. I've never run across it when I look online, but they had it in a parts catalog. Very nice bar, no flex, and comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craptacular8 View Post
    Nitto makes a nice trekking bar in a silver finish. My lbs ordered one in for me. I've never run across it when I look online, but they had it in a parts catalog. Very nice bar, no flex, and comfortable.
    I dunno why my LBS was unable to order a silver finish one. They said all they could get was the black one made by Dimension. When I dropped off my bike at the shop, the new bar was already there. So I'll roll with the black & pink combo.

    I'm a lot more likely to be fashion conscious about my future road bike
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    Come to the road bike side! Did you ever get that SE? Haven't seen you on here much lately, though that could also be I haven't been here too often.
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    Got my bike back from the shop with the trekking bar and MKS Lambda pedals installed. The Lizard Skin wrap feels great on the trekking bar. The trekking bar itself was immediately comfortable to ride with. Love the pedals! They're much longer than photos would suggest, with more surface area in contact with the sole of the shoe, yet about the same width as the old pedals.

    I neglected to take pics in the shop and its night time right now, but will take pics when I ride it next time in daylight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TransitBiker View Post
    The uptown has been great. It's also slower than I'd like. It kicks butt for hauling stuff. Unfortunately it does not haul ass (aside from my own ). I've been thinking that I should next get a touring/road bike for purely transport rides where time is a factor.
    The average time difference between my fastest and slowest bikes is around 4 minutes per hour. In the past I've had bikes that might shave another minute or 2 off of that, but it comes with compromises. Unless one is comparing extreme opposites in bikes, the differences are far less than some make it out to be.

    On the other hand, road bikes can be enjoyable in their own right when taken for what they are, without expecting them to be what they aren't.
    Last edited by kickstart; 09-19-15 at 11:21 AM.

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    My coworker who lives in my neighborhood takes about 40-45 min. to complete his commute ride, about 30 min. faster than me (1 hr. 10 min. is the typical time of my ride). He's got his light and fast road bike, I've got my heavy Breezer. He and I have different priorities though. He is much more serious about racing and trains with a team in the DC-Baltimore area. I have no intention of racing. Also, I like to take the scenic route in the mornings, when traffic on the Mt. Vernon Trail is relatively low. I love beginning my work day with the views of the river and greenery. The other guy prefers to ride more on the street, and occasionally works to set a new record in commute time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GovernorSilver View Post
    My coworker who lives in my neighborhood takes about 40-45 min. to complete his commute ride, about 30 min. faster than me (1 hr. 10 min. is the typical time of my ride). He's got his light and fast road bike, I've got my heavy Breezer. He and I have different priorities though. He is much more serious about racing and trains with a team in the DC-Baltimore area. I have no intention of racing. Also, I like to take the scenic route in the mornings, when traffic on the Mt. Vernon Trail is relatively low. I love beginning my work day with the views of the river and greenery. The other guy prefers to ride more on the street, and occasionally works to set a new record in commute time.
    If you and your co worker were to exchange bikes, I suspect little would change. The motor and motivation count for a lot more than the equipment.
    I learned the expensive way that "fast" bikes don't make me fast.

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    Priorities change, go with it. My wife's breezer uptown has been demoted to strictly fenders-required use. But she wouldn't want anything else for bad weather, likes the wide grippy tires. I have shifted my own perception of what is the skinniest tire I can survive bad weather on and it is down to 35mm from 2+".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    If you and your co worker were to exchange bikes, I suspect little would change.
    Well, yeah, given my priorities as a commuting rider vs. his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    Priorities change, go with it. My wife's breezer uptown has been demoted to strictly fenders-required use. But she wouldn't want anything else for bad weather, likes the wide grippy tires. I have shifted my own perception of what is the skinniest tire I can survive bad weather on and it is down to 35mm from 2+".
    32mm to 38mm seems to be a good compromise for commuting and general use for most conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerdave222 View Post
    Is the infinity NOS a new bike?

    (Edit) 2012 Breezer Uptown Infinity NOS. I get it now. My bad!
    The one I have was NOS scratch/dent. Its frame was damaged in shipping and replaced with an uptown 8 frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmthom.gis View Post
    Come to the road bike side! Did you ever get that SE? Haven't seen you on here much lately, though that could also be I haven't been here too often.
    No, other expenses took priority. Actually I have and stay with my new (5 months now) girlfriend. She has two kids and this summer was ******** hot like every day so I kinda switched stuff around. Moving my bike I rode 13 miles on the hottest day of the summer. Was fun but very challenging with the heat and hills. I'll be on her and riding more now that things are a bit more settled and the kids are in school.

    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    The average time difference between my fastest and slowest bikes is around 4 minutes per hour. In the past I've had bikes that might shave another minute or 2 off of that, but it comes with compromises. Unless one is comparing extreme opposites in bikes, the differences are far less than some make it out to be.

    On the other hand, road bikes can be enjoyable in their own right when taken for what they are, without expecting them to be what they aren't.
    My breezer has a friction fluid drive, and is meant to be a town/transport kinda thing. It maxes out around 20 mph due to the drive ratios. If it had more high end ratio id be able to hit 30.

    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    Priorities change, go with it. My wife's breezer uptown has been demoted to strictly fenders-required use. But she wouldn't want anything else for bad weather, likes the wide grippy tires. I have shifted my own perception of what is the skinniest tire I can survive bad weather on and it is down to 35mm from 2+".
    Not even a tire thing, it's just meant to haul stuff, not be speedy. I want discs, lighter, higher end ratio for speed and something I don't have to treat like an ancient artefact mashing on the pedals.

    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    32mm to 38mm seems to be a good compromise for commuting and general use for most conditions.
    The setup I have is 1.5 front 1.75 rear. Cargo goes on the back, so it gets a bit more suspension with the fatter tire.

    I will be sticking with ASI brands, as I like their designs and amazing customer service.

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    NuVinci recently released an upgrade over the hub you probably have on your Breezer - the N380. Has a 1.9 overdrive compared to the 1.65 of the older N360 - probably means a faster top speed.

    Nfinity - Products - nuvincicyling.com

    I'm mulling the N380 as an upgrade on my Breezer after the 2-year warranty on the stock Nexus 8 hub expires. No, I do not believe it will make me faster than my roadie-riding coworker who can hit the high 30s mph. Yes, I still want to get a road bike for fair-weather commuting. Yes, I'd like more gear range on my Breezer, to take better advantage of descents while riding on the roads in rush hour, and just for fitting with the flow of traffic/defensive sprinting.
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    I'm planning on adding a Schlumpf mountain drive to my Gazelle which has a Shimano nexus 8 with a slightly narrower gear range than the Nuvinci. With the Schlumpf it will have a range of 14 to 130 gear inches.

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    Sheldon Brown's gear calculator says the N360 has almost 10 more gear inches (98.8) than the Nexus 8 (about 88) on the top end, with the Breezer Uptown 8 configuration (38T chain ring, 18T rear cog).

    I was wrong about the N360 overdrive - it's actually 1.8. So N380 gets you a 0.1 improvement in overdrive.

    The other hub upgrade option I'm considering - Alfine 11 - delivers 118.2 gear inches on the top end.

    In any case, that's about all I'd want to spend on upgrading my Breezer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickstart View Post
    If you and your co worker were to exchange bikes, I suspect little would change. The motor and motivation count for a lot more than the equipment.
    I learned the expensive way that "fast" bikes don't make me fast.


    Can't buy speed...
    Today, I believe my jurisdiction ends here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GovernorSilver View Post
    Sheldon Brown's gear calculator says the N360 has almost 10 more gear inches (98.8) than the Nexus 8 (about 88) on the top end, with the Breezer Uptown 8 configuration (38T chain ring, 18T rear cog).

    I was wrong about the N360 overdrive - it's actually 1.8. So N380 gets you a 0.1 improvement in overdrive.

    The other hub upgrade option I'm considering - Alfine 11 - delivers 118.2 gear inches on the top end.

    In any case, that's about all I'd want to spend on upgrading my Breezer.
    Just my opinion but as someone who has all of the hubs mentioned except the N380, I think going from the Nexus 8 to an Alfine 11 is going to be a rather cost-ineffective upgrade.

    While the Alfine does have three more gears on the high end, it adds nothing on the low end and unfortunately it does not share the same reputation for reliability and bulletproofness that the Nexus and Alfine 8 do.

    The Alfine 11 has had enough problems and offers so little over the Alfine 8 that many if not most manufacturers who had been offering the 11 on models have replaced them with 8's, like the Raleigh Misceo.

    It's actually getting a little difficult to find 2016 bicycles offered with the Alfine 11 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShortLegCyclist View Post
    Just my opinion but as someone who has all of the hubs mentioned except the N380, I think going from the Nexus 8 to an Alfine 11 is going to be a rather cost-ineffective upgrade.

    While the Alfine does have three more gears on the high end, it adds nothing on the low end and unfortunately it does not share the same reputation for reliability and bulletproofness that the Nexus and Alfine 8 do.

    The Alfine 11 has had enough problems and offers so little over the Alfine 8 that many if not most manufacturers who had been offering the 11 on models have replaced them with 8's, like the Raleigh Misceo.

    It's actually getting a little difficult to find 2016 bicycles offered with the Alfine 11 now.
    Thanks for the heads up.

    My Nexus 8 warranty will expire in May, 2017. Hopefully more replacement options will be available by then. I guess I could also go the route of replacing the stock crankset with a Patterson Transmission or that Schlumf as an alternative to replacing the IGH, if it's still working fine by then.

    On second thought, the Patterson is half the price...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmfnla View Post


    Can't buy speed...
    No, but I'm still interested in what TransitBiker eventually gets. And I get why he wants another bike.

    If my coworker traded bikes with me, he'd still ride a lot faster than me. I thought I made it clear that I understood that in my earlier posts, but, whatever. Anyway, he'd be faster but he'd also be less happy with my bike compared to his road bikes. Being happy with your ride is what it's all about - well, that's how I see it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GovernorSilver View Post
    Thanks for the heads up.

    My Nexus 8 warranty will expire in May, 2017. Hopefully more replacement options will be available by then. I guess I could also go the route of replacing the stock crankset with a Patterson Transmission or that Schlumf as an alternative to replacing the IGH, if it's still working fine by then.

    On second thought, the Patterson is half the price...
    I think the Patterson is only going to add low end to what you have, but I could be mistaken. Depends on what the chainring you are running right now is.

    If you want to upgrade, the only internal hub that is head and shoulders better than your Nexus/Alfine 8 in my opinion is a Rohloff, but you're talking nearly 2 grand to make that upgrade when you factor in building a wheel around it.

    I would honestly stick with what you have AND get the road bike you were talking about. If you are like me, the Breezer will become a bad weather commuter and bike you don't mind locking up outside while you attend ballgames or museums and the like, and the road bike will get 75% or more of your mileage once you have it... assuming you pick a great fitting bike that you love to ride.

    Internal hub commuting bikes are great and I still have five of them... but once you match up with a road bike that fits you like it was made for you, it's hard to stay off that bike and go back to the commuter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShortLegCyclist View Post
    I think the Patterson is only going to add low end to what you have, but I could be mistaken. Depends on what the chainring you are running right now is.

    If you want to upgrade, the only internal hub that is head and shoulders better than your Nexus/Alfine 8 in my opinion is a Rohloff, but you're talking nearly 2 grand to make that upgrade when you factor in building a wheel around it.

    I would honestly stick with what you have AND get the road bike you were talking about. If you are like me, the Breezer will become a bad weather commuter and bike you don't mind locking up outside while you attend ballgames or museums and the like, and the road bike will get 75% or more of your mileage once you have it... assuming you pick a great fitting bike that you love to ride.

    Internal hub commuting bikes are great and I still have five of them... but once you match up with a road bike that fits you like it was made for you, it's hard to stay off that bike and go back to the commuter.
    My Breezer has a 38T stock chainring. Thus the Patterson would add gearing on both the high and low side, by virtue of the virtual 45T chainring. I'm not in a hurry though to pull the trigger on that just yet. The frequent falling out of adjustment, then snapping back into adjustment of the Nexus 8 is the main reason I suspect its lifespan will be short but I'll see. Based on your posts, I may just replace it - if needed - with an Alfine 8.

    Yes, the eventual role I envision for the Breezer is bad-weather commuter, grocery fetcher, and lock-up-for-hours-outside bike. I might even use it for light touring, as it now has the trekking bar and the nice long chainstay and rack - the Patterson would be a big help there. The ride to Purcellville on the WO&D Trail seems to be a rite of passage for aspiring touring cyclists in this area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GovernorSilver View Post
    My Breezer has a 38T stock chainring. Thus the Patterson would add gearing on both the high and low side, by virtue of the virtual 45T chainring. I'm not in a hurry though to pull the trigger on that just yet. The frequent falling out of adjustment, then snapping back into adjustment of the Nexus 8 is the main reason I suspect its lifespan will be short but I'll see. Based on your posts, I may just replace it - if needed - with an Alfine 8.

    Yes, the eventual role I envision for the Breezer is bad-weather commuter, grocery fetcher, and lock-up-for-hours-outside bike. I might even use it for light touring, as it now has the trekking bar and the nice long chainstay and rack - the Patterson would be a big help there. The ride to Purcellville on the WO&D Trail seems to be a rite of passage for aspiring touring cyclists in this area.
    The only difference between the Nexus 8 (most recent version) and the Alfine 8 is the ability to run disc brakes as I understand it, so unless you have disc brakes I don't think there's an advantage there.

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    Hm, I didn't take into account that there are multiple versions of the Nexus 8 and mine might not be the premium version.

    Given the reports of the Alfine 11's unreliability, I'm once again leaning towards the N380, because I know that even the older N360 has a better gear range than the Nexus 8.
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