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Old 10-26-15, 08:35 PM   #1
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Windsor Knight or $800 suggestions?

Just getting final input from you experts here.

I'm quite sure I'm going to put in a preorder for the Windsor Knight from BD because all the Ultegra components for $800 seems like an absolutely insane deal. With winter and snow coming around soon, the wait doesn't bother me since I won't be using my bike in about a month anyways.

Here is the Windsor Knight: Save Up to 60% Off Ultegra Road Bikes Shimano Ultegra Road Bikes - Windsor Knight

I already own a Trek FX 7.1, but my dad is getting into biking for exercise so I will be mailing that bike to him and getting a road bike.

Honestly, the Windsor is complete overkill for my commuting, but I don't mind paying like 200 more to upgrade from Sora/Tiagra components to Ultegra components. I will be going to my LBS tomorrow to see if they have any closeout deals for the same price, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I live in a tiny town so stock is limited.

tl;dr: 90% sure getting Windsor Knight. Any other final suggestions I might be overlooking for $800? Can cough up maybe $200 for a total of 1k, but it's really gotta be worth it.
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Road bike or ??? Would you consider a touring bike? If so check out the Jamis Aurora. Nice bike with solid components and well suited to carrying a load.
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Uhh, touring bike? I wasn't even aware that was a classification.

I don't need to carry loads. I only use the bike to commute to class.
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Uhh, touring bike? I wasn't even aware that was a classification.

I don't need to carry loads. I only use the bike to commute to class.
Most people that commute carry something to work or school. Are you buying the bike mainly to commute or to use as a road bike for fitness or club rides or even for racing?

Windsor makes a touring bike that would make an excellent commuter:

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You'll probably get good advice about versatile commuting bikes in this forum. If your main purpose is to ride a road bike for recreation and fitness, you'll get different answers in the road forum. If you truly do not have a load to carry then the road bike you selected will do just fine. However, if you do have a load, you'll most likely be using a back pack. If you have to deal with weather, you need to be aware that many road bikes don't take fenders very easily.
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I carry stuff on my back though, not on my bike.

I guess it would help to list the things I don't like about my Trek FX 7.1:
1) I find it hard to bike against the wind especially here in the Midwest
2) I don't really like the triple crank gearing very much. I use the 2nd gear on the crank and climb through 1-7 so fast, but I stop and go so much that I don't want to use the 3rd gear.

That is pretty much it!

I do want fenders, but I pretty much assumed all bikes have the threads for fenders.
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I carry stuff on my back though...
Well, you might want to add a rack and carry stuff in panniers or a trunk bag. Less sweaty and lowers your center of gravity.

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I do want fenders, but I pretty much assumed all bikes have the threads for fenders.
Um, not unless you want to mount through-axle on that fork. Decent bike otherwise.
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Well, you might want to add a rack and carry stuff in panniers or a trunk bag. Less sweaty and lowers your center of gravity.



Um, not unless you want to mount through-axle on that fork. Decent bike otherwise.
I prefer to keep stuff on my back because it's faster to get ready.

I didn't even think about putting a fender on the front. I am only really bothered by the rear because I would always get dirt kicked up onto my back. Thanks for this!

Gonna go out to the LBS today though and maybe they can just convince me to pick up a bike locally! I actually just saw Nashbar sometimes has 20-25% off coupon codes, and they have some insane deals like Fuji Sportif 1.3 for 600 bucks. Unfortunately... they didn't have the right size selection
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I'd been eyeing that Windsor for a few years, but wound up spending $400 more and going with the Kestrel Evoke 3.0

It has 105 components (5800) but note that it is a complete group, whereas the Knight is only Ultegra front/rear derailleur, cassette and shifters. The brakes and crankset are cheaper. Also the Kestrel was full carbon frame and has a nicer wheelset, so I decided that I got more "bang for my buck" going that route.

No regrets to my decision whatsoever.

As a bonus the Kestrel and the Knight have pretty similar paint schemes, which is what drew me to looking at the Knight in the first place. My first bike I ever bought new was a 1983 Schwinn World that was black with white lettering, and the paint schemes on these two bikes make me all sentimental for those days.
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I carry stuff on my back though, not on my bike.

I guess it would help to list the things I don't like about my Trek FX 7.1:
1) I find it hard to bike against the wind especially here in the Midwest
2) I don't really like the triple crank gearing very much. I use the 2nd gear on the crank and climb through 1-7 so fast, but I stop and go so much that I don't want to use the 3rd gear.

That is pretty much it!

I do want fenders, but I pretty much assumed all bikes have the threads for fenders.
Ultegra is not going to help you fight the 360 degree Midwest winds. A tt bike would, but that not would serve your purposes very well.

If you buy a BD bike, take it to your LBS and have them regrease, retighten, re-true, etc.
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Ah yes, I know that. I just wanted to shift to the drop down and get a more aerodynamic body position compared to my hybrid.

Is there any reason why I can't just do the regreasing and re-trueing myself? I used to do all the maintenance on my motorcycle so I'm pretty comfortable with wrenching.
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Ah yes, I know that. I just wanted to shift to the drop down and get a more aerodynamic body position compared to my hybrid.

Is there any reason why I can't just do the regreasing and re-trueing myself? I used to do all the maintenance on my motorcycle so I'm pretty comfortable with wrenching.
I do all my own bike wrenching. It's not rocket science. If you're mechanically able you'll do fine doing it yourself.
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I carry stuff on my back though, not on my bike.

I guess it would help to list the things I don't like about my Trek FX 7.1:
1) I find it hard to bike against the wind especially here in the Midwest
2) I don't really like the triple crank gearing very much. I use the 2nd gear on the crank and climb through 1-7 so fast, but I stop and go so much that I don't want to use the 3rd gear.

That is pretty much it!

I do want fenders, but I pretty much assumed all bikes have the threads for fenders.
Nope, most road (or racing) bikes cannot take fenders. If you want a "fast" bike that can take fenders and handle a bit of a load, I'd look at BD's cross bikes offerings. They are more versatile than the road bike you picked out. Don't overemphasize ultegra derailleurs. There are other factors (like wheels, tires, fenders, etc.) that matter if you want a fast bike for commuting esp. in crummy weather.

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I saw that one as well, looked pretty good.

Could I just use something like SKS Raceblades or Crud Road Racers that don't require the eyelet?

I was under the impression that the Mavic CXP22 rims that come with the Windsor Knight are pretty good which is why I was leaning towards it over the other offerings.

The Kestrel looked great, but I'm staying away from CF bikes because I commute with my bike to school which means lots of people locking their bikes near mine -> banging up the frame. My Trek FX has so many scratches in the paint. I am planning on swapping in new brake pads from Koolstop since I've read that the Tektros are decent, just have terrible pads. The crankset was where I was a bit worried, but I figure it can't be that bad? FSA seems to have decent stuff. I'm pretty new to this so I'm relying upon price a lot.

edit: Well, I just got back from my LBS, and they had a Cannondale CAAD 8 w/ Tiagra components and an FSA Crank for $1050. Awfully tempting. But after tax, I think it's just too much money compared to the Windsor Knight.

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Yes, you can use raceblades or crud... but you shouldn't expect anything close to the coverage you'll get with full fenders. I have no idea how often you deal with rain and wet roads. It's pretty common here. I have full fenders and flaps that reach nearly to the ground. They do a good job of keeping my feet, drivetrain, and backside dry. However, when it's raining hard, I need rain covers for my shoes or waterproof shoes to keep my feet dry.

I've used raceblades on my road bike... I found that the only thing they do is keep the stripe off my back. I found the front raceblade fender to be useless... I get just as much protection from the downtube.
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Looks like a good commuter to me. I prefer my Fantom Outlaw cross bike because it has room for fenders and a rack, but your choice is a nice bike for the money.
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You guys are convincing me to get a Cyclocross instead of a road bike now with all the fender talk.

I don't really bike in the rain that often unless it's only sprinkling. If it's raining, it's more likely that I will just walk/take the bus than bike in the rain.

I like that Fantom Cross Outlaw a lot, but I was hoping to move towards thinner tires. Also, it seems like tubeless tires are quite expensive and limited in choice?
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I don't understand that Windsor Knight. It has so many premium components, that the ones which aren't (handlebars, stem, seat post, saddle, hubs) stick out like sore thumbs. The frame is sort of ugly, the graphics are really ugly, what is going on with those rear drops, it has rack bosses but no eyelets?

All that said, for a fair weather backpack commuter it ought to be fine. If you do want to ride in the wet, there are fenders such as SKS Raceblade that don't require fender mounts, although they don't give as much coverage.
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I don't understand that Windsor Knight. It has so many premium components, that the ones which aren't (handlebars, stem, seat post, saddle, hubs) stick out like sore thumbs. The frame is sort of ugly, the graphics are really ugly, what is going on with those rear drops, it has rack bosses but no eyelets?
Interesting to see how different people's taste run. I happen to think the Knight's frame is one of their more attractive ones, and really like the graphics.

In contrast, I find the BD gravity frame a complete eyesore. However I'm sure there are people who are drawn to it:
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Don't forget to also check bikeisland.com. That is BD's scratch-n-dent site. They have a Knight for $699 but only one size.
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Don't forget to also check bikeisland.com. That is BD's scratch-n-dent site. They have a Knight for $699 but only one size.

My bank account curses you, especially after I found the "Select by Size" link. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions.
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Don't forget to also check bikeisland.com. That is BD's scratch-n-dent site. They have a Knight for $699 but only one size.
That's exactly what I was going to post! The $699 one is a 60cm, looks like it was a return from a customer that only tried it out a little bit.

Also for $800 there's this Bottechia in 54, 56 and 61 (and "Bottechia" sounds way cooler than "Windsor").
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I just bought a BI bike myself (a hardtail for trail riding) and am very very happy with the extra savings even beyond BD
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Interesting to see how different people's taste run. I happen to think the Knight's frame is one of their more attractive ones, and really like the graphics.

In contrast, I find the BD gravity frame a complete eyesore. However I'm sure there are people who are drawn to it:
Well, the former is certainly more conventional. I don't much like either of them, I guess. When I say I don't like the graphics, I mean on any of these BD bikes. The lettering is block print capitals in an off-the-shelf font. The colors are muted. There is a little design added (like the arrow over WINDSOR or the line under the IGHT in KNIGHT or the swoosh through TOURIST), but isn't very playful or creative. The decal isn't integrated with the frame in any way. It seems to be the wrong sized and placed a bit off. The model name itself often seems to have nothing to do with anything. It all looks generic and unsophisticated.
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Don't forget to also check bikeisland.com. That is BD's scratch-n-dent site. They have a Knight for $699 but only one size.

I didn't know about bikeisland.com, thanks......maybe. The first thing I saw a SS/FG in my size for $149.95 and free shipping. Been wanting one but wanting others too and that wasn't in the top 3 but for the price............
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omg... wish I didn't buy my bike so fast.

I just saw the bikeisland posts.

The Botecchia looks great. Oh well, I just bought a Motobecane Super Strada in black. Save up to 60% of new Shimano Ultegra 6800 22 Speed Road Bikes | Motobecane Super Strada Road Bikes Sale | Save up to 60% off your next new Road Bike

It has the Mavic Aksium wheels which I figured would be worth the extra money in addition to all the Ritchey handlebars and whatnot. It's already coming on Friday, but I have a feeling I will miss the UPS guy and not be able to sign for it

I'm so excited to ride it!
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