CrippledKonaBoy

I just drop some epithet-ic phrase, like "ahhh, blow THIS!" Or, "Horn blows, does the driver?" Or, on shorter-tempered days, the simple Shi Pali Ma.

PatrickGSR94

That sort of sentiment is a slippery slope. Many motorists don't think cyclists belong in "their" "car" lane, which we all know is false thinking. Just do what we ask motorists to do. Pay attention up ahead, merge out of the bike lane when there's a gap in traffic, and then merge back after passing the jogger. It's not a big deal.

As soon as you start thinking/saying that bike lanes are "your" lanes, then that justifies motorists to think that the travel lanes are "their" lanes and cyclists should never use them. That does no one any good.

bfuser284953024

Oh, I agree! Joggers have every right to be able to run safely. We all must share the road. But, the place I always see joggers in the bike is on a route that has a beautiful and very well maintained trail for joggers and walkers, a lane in the street for bicyclists, and then the street. So I guess I get annoyed because the joggers kind of are in "my" lane, in that area. I'm more than willing to share the bike lane.

PatrickGSR94

Sounds exactly like the harassment I get from motorists when I'm not using a bike lane or side path cycletrack because it's not safe to use.

bfuser284953024

I'm super confused, so I'm sorry if this comes off as weird. The path for joggers is very well maintained, flat, no cracks, with a large area of grass/trees separating it from the road. Its gets a good amount of usage, and is kept very clean, even in the winter time. Its also very wide. The bike lane in this area is to the side and often crowded with parked cars. The road has a speed limit of 35mph, which of course means everyone drives 40+. Its actually much safer to be on the jogging path, no?

The other paths I use, I often share with the joggers, and I'm happy to. The sidewalks aren't in good condition, so it makes sense they'd want to bike lane. I often shout a "pardon me!" and whiz past in the car lane, or slow until its safe enough for me to skirt around them. I just don't understand why someone would willingly want to use the bike lane on that first street, when the jogging path is much much nicer and less dangerous. That's why I get annoyed/pissed off. (Not to mention that street is the only one where I don't feel safe and have actually been in an accident there, as a cyclist.)

kickstart

I agree. What comes around goes around.

StanSeven

As a general rule, serious runners run in the street. It's much for the same reason cyclists ride on the street instead of bike paths - slow people to pass, people do the unexpected like sudden u turns without warning or quick stops, people walking dogs on leases, and so on. Often jogging paths cross driveways and cars back up without looking. Also when you do a 10-15 mile run, a 2 or 3 mile trail isn't worth the effort.

That said, I don't agree with most of this. There is no reason for slow people jogging to be on the road, especially when they are doing a couple miles and a trail is nearby.

mr geeker

Smoke a fattie before you ride, it'll do wonders for your outlook... (this is not an endorsement of partaking in activities that may or may not be legal in your area)

PatrickGSR94

Maybe the person was about to turn somewhere else heading away from the path? Maybe their destination was somewhere else than the path?

You always hear cyclists saying how bike lanes and paths don't serve all destinations, when motorists yell at us to get on the path or go ride somewhere else, etc. Well it can very well be the same with someone running or jogging.

If there are a LOT of people in an area using a bike lane to jog when there's an adjacent path, then there could be an issue. Maybe, and I'm not even sure about that. But please don't be concerned about one person jogging in a bike lane.

bfuser284953024

For the path in question, the road, bike lane, and path all terminate on the same street. So I don't know. But I'm going to tap out of this one! I haven't been bicycling "seriously" for very long. I also know I'm a big scaredy cat and do a lot to avoid riding in streets if I can help it, because of my history with being in a major accident as a pedestrian. There's a lot for me to learn yet, which is why I'm here. Sorry for all the problems I've already caused.

PatrickGSR94

Congrats on starting something new! I wasn't trying to attack you, just trying to convey how others may view things. Please stick around and learn a lot. I knew nothing when I joined in 2012 and am now up to building my own bikes from scratch with a bare frame, and commuting to work 31 miles round trip.

john4789

-1

The difference is that joggers are not traffic and are not legally allowed to use the traffic lanes (bike or car). Cyclists are legally allowed to use the traffic lanes. Joggers are not. There is a difference.

kickstart

There are some roads in my area that have bike lanes, but no sidewalks.

I'm happy to surrender a moment of my time for pedestrians, and service providers the same as I wish of others for myself.

Give a little, take a little.

Sharpshin

Speaking as a career public school teacher who of course gets insulted a hundred times a day.... Some suggestions....

1) Dude, get over yourself....

2) See #1

3) Stay away from coffee, seriously.
I love coffee, but I find that whatever it is about coffee caffiene it makes me GET angry rather than ACT angry while on the job. And GETTING angry is both exhausting and self-defeating.

Diet Coke and tea don't affect me that way, strange, but works fer me.

4) ...and it ain't the honking alone that's at fault, its the whole context.
Case in point; if you had just left the bed of a beautiful, compliant woman that morning I'd guess you'd be riding along dreamily with a silly grin on your face DESPITE all the honking in the world (I mean, that's how I am).

5) See #1 again....

JMHO,

Mike

Sharpshin

Speaking as a career public school teacher who of course gets insulted a hundred times a day.... Some suggestions....

1) Dude, get over yourself....

2) See #1

3) Stay away from coffee, seriously.
I love coffee, but I find that whatever it is about coffee caffiene it makes me GET angry rather than ACT angry while on the job. And GETTING angry is both exhausting and self-defeating.

Diet Coke and tea don't affect me that way, strange, but works fer me.

4) ...and it ain't the honking alone that's at fault, its the whole context.
Case in point; if you had just left the bed of a beautiful, compliant woman that morning I'd guess you'd be riding along dreamily with a silly grin on your face DESPITE all the honking in the world (I mean, that's how I am).

5) See #1 again....

JMHO,

Mike

john4789

Me too, but we are not talking about pedestrians or service providers using the bike lane for a short period of time out of necessity. We are talking about joggers using traffic lanes for recreational purposes, which isn't legal or courteous to traffic.

fietsbob

& here is an Idea From the other side of the windscreen BBC - Future - The psychology of why cyclists enrage car drivers

PatrickGSR94

Who says it's not legal? What's the pertinent law?

When I used to run in my neighborhood, I almost always ran IN THE STREET on the left side, and not on the sidewalk, because the street has a much smoother and more even surface. The sidewalk often has trash and lots of uneven joints all over the place.

But since there's no bike lane, no one ever had any problem. Hmmm... yet another reason to not have bike lanes.

john4789

9-60-080 Walking along roadways.

(a) Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for a pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.

(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a roadway shall when practicable walk only on the left side of the roadway or its shoulder facing traffic that may approach from the opposite direction.

PatrickGSR94

Must be an Illinois thing. MS law contains no such requirement.

PatrickGSR94

Rhode Island state law, where @hannathing is from:

§ 31-18-10 Walking in street prohibited. – Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway. Where sidewalks are provided it shall be lawful for a person to run or jog along and upon an adjacent roadway, and if the person shall begin to walk he or she shall walk upon an available sidewalk.

So if you're running or jogging, you can use the street. If you're walking and a sidewalk is available, use the sidewalk or path.

I see other issues and loopholes with that law, but it is what it is.

kickstart

How often do you encounter joggers using bike or travel lanes in a manner that's substantially disruptive?

Personally, its only a few times a year, mostly when I'm within Seattle city limits where there are more disruptions in general, and not out of proportion for the environment.

Besides, the jogger in front of me today might be the driver behind me tomorrow.........we sometimes reap what we sow.

kickstart

BOOOOOO

Its not a legitimate reason because the majority of folks all over the world like, and understand how to use them. We shouldn't be hamstrung by the few fragile enthusiasts who don't.

PatrickGSR94

Just pokin' at ya

kickstart

I know, I only BOoo in fun.

I just added the comment as a preemptive strike for anyone who might add +1, and Mr. "Ditto".