People honking at me triggers my RAGE
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I just drop some epithet-ic phrase, like "ahhh, blow THIS!" Or, "Horn blows, does the driver?" Or, on shorter-tempered days, the simple Shi Pali Ma.
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Though, I will say, the one thing that happens on my commute that drives me absolutely bonkers is morning joggers running in my bike lane. Pisses me off, and forces me to merge with traffic to avoid them. I got "bumped" a few weeks ago, when I merged, and a car pushed my bike tire since they didn't slow fast enough. All because a lady jogging with her baby in a giant stroller.
As soon as you start thinking/saying that bike lanes are "your" lanes, then that justifies motorists to think that the travel lanes are "their" lanes and cyclists should never use them. That does no one any good.
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That sort of sentiment is a slippery slope. Many motorists don't think cyclists belong in "their" "car" lane, which we all know is false thinking. Just do what we ask motorists to do. Pay attention up ahead, merge out of the bike lane when there's a gap in traffic, and then merge back after passing the jogger. It's not a big deal.
As soon as you start thinking/saying that bike lanes are "your" lanes, then that justifies motorists to think that the travel lanes are "their" lanes and cyclists should never use them. That does no one any good.
As soon as you start thinking/saying that bike lanes are "your" lanes, then that justifies motorists to think that the travel lanes are "their" lanes and cyclists should never use them. That does no one any good.
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Oh, I agree! Joggers have every right to be able to run safely. We all must share the road. But, the place I always see joggers in the bike is on a route that has a beautiful and very well maintained trail for joggers and walkers, a lane in the street for bicyclists, and then the street. So I guess I get annoyed because the joggers kind of are in "my" lane, in that area. I'm more than willing to share the bike lane.
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I'm super confused, so I'm sorry if this comes off as weird. The path for joggers is very well maintained, flat, no cracks, with a large area of grass/trees separating it from the road. Its gets a good amount of usage, and is kept very clean, even in the winter time. Its also very wide. The bike lane in this area is to the side and often crowded with parked cars. The road has a speed limit of 35mph, which of course means everyone drives 40+. Its actually much safer to be on the jogging path, no?
The other paths I use, I often share with the joggers, and I'm happy to. The sidewalks aren't in good condition, so it makes sense they'd want to bike lane. I often shout a "pardon me!" and whiz past in the car lane, or slow until its safe enough for me to skirt around them. I just don't understand why someone would willingly want to use the bike lane on that first street, when the jogging path is much much nicer and less dangerous. That's why I get annoyed/pissed off. (Not to mention that street is the only one where I don't feel safe and have actually been in an accident there, as a cyclist.)
The other paths I use, I often share with the joggers, and I'm happy to. The sidewalks aren't in good condition, so it makes sense they'd want to bike lane. I often shout a "pardon me!" and whiz past in the car lane, or slow until its safe enough for me to skirt around them. I just don't understand why someone would willingly want to use the bike lane on that first street, when the jogging path is much much nicer and less dangerous. That's why I get annoyed/pissed off. (Not to mention that street is the only one where I don't feel safe and have actually been in an accident there, as a cyclist.)
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That sort of sentiment is a slippery slope. Many motorists don't think cyclists belong in "their" "car" lane, which we all know is false thinking. Just do what we ask motorists to do. Pay attention up ahead, merge out of the bike lane when there's a gap in traffic, and then merge back after passing the jogger. It's not a big deal.
As soon as you start thinking/saying that bike lanes are "your" lanes, then that justifies motorists to think that the travel lanes are "their" lanes and cyclists should never use them. That does no one any good.
As soon as you start thinking/saying that bike lanes are "your" lanes, then that justifies motorists to think that the travel lanes are "their" lanes and cyclists should never use them. That does no one any good.
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I'm super confused, so I'm sorry if this comes off as weird. The path for joggers is very well maintained, flat, no cracks, with a large area of grass/trees separating it from the road. Its gets a good amount of usage, and is kept very clean, even in the winter time. Its also very wide. The bike lane in this area is to the side and often crowded with parked cars. The road has a speed limit of 35mph, which of course means everyone drives 40+. Its actually much safer to be on the jogging path, no?
The other paths I use, I often share with the joggers, and I'm happy to. The sidewalks aren't in good condition, so it makes sense they'd want to bike lane. I often shout a "pardon me!" and whiz past in the car lane, or slow until its safe enough for me to skirt around them. I just don't understand why someone would willingly want to use the bike lane on that first street, when the jogging path is much much nicer and less dangerous. That's why I get annoyed/pissed off. (Not to mention that street is the only one where I don't feel safe and have actually been in an accident there, as a cyclist.)
The other paths I use, I often share with the joggers, and I'm happy to. The sidewalks aren't in good condition, so it makes sense they'd want to bike lane. I often shout a "pardon me!" and whiz past in the car lane, or slow until its safe enough for me to skirt around them. I just don't understand why someone would willingly want to use the bike lane on that first street, when the jogging path is much much nicer and less dangerous. That's why I get annoyed/pissed off. (Not to mention that street is the only one where I don't feel safe and have actually been in an accident there, as a cyclist.)
That said, I don't agree with most of this. There is no reason for slow people jogging to be on the road, especially when they are doing a couple miles and a trail is nearby.
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I'm super confused, so I'm sorry if this comes off as weird. The path for joggers is very well maintained, flat, no cracks, with a large area of grass/trees separating it from the road. Its gets a good amount of usage, and is kept very clean, even in the winter time. Its also very wide. The bike lane in this area is to the side and often crowded with parked cars. The road has a speed limit of 35mph, which of course means everyone drives 40+. Its actually much safer to be on the jogging path, no?
The other paths I use, I often share with the joggers, and I'm happy to. The sidewalks aren't in good condition, so it makes sense they'd want to bike lane. I often shout a "pardon me!" and whiz past in the car lane, or slow until its safe enough for me to skirt around them. I just don't understand why someone would willingly want to use the bike lane on that first street, when the jogging path is much much nicer and less dangerous. That's why I get annoyed/pissed off. (Not to mention that street is the only one where I don't feel safe and have actually been in an accident there, as a cyclist.)
The other paths I use, I often share with the joggers, and I'm happy to. The sidewalks aren't in good condition, so it makes sense they'd want to bike lane. I often shout a "pardon me!" and whiz past in the car lane, or slow until its safe enough for me to skirt around them. I just don't understand why someone would willingly want to use the bike lane on that first street, when the jogging path is much much nicer and less dangerous. That's why I get annoyed/pissed off. (Not to mention that street is the only one where I don't feel safe and have actually been in an accident there, as a cyclist.)
You always hear cyclists saying how bike lanes and paths don't serve all destinations, when motorists yell at us to get on the path or go ride somewhere else, etc. Well it can very well be the same with someone running or jogging.
If there are a LOT of people in an area using a bike lane to jog when there's an adjacent path, then there could be an issue. Maybe, and I'm not even sure about that. But please don't be concerned about one person jogging in a bike lane.
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Maybe the person was about to turn somewhere else heading away from the path? Maybe their destination was somewhere else than the path?
You always hear cyclists saying how bike lanes and paths don't serve all destinations, when motorists yell at us to get on the path or go ride somewhere else, etc. Well it can very well be the same with someone running or jogging.
If there are a LOT of people in an area using a bike lane to jog when there's an adjacent path, then there could be an issue. Maybe, and I'm not even sure about that. But please don't be concerned about one person jogging in a bike lane.
You always hear cyclists saying how bike lanes and paths don't serve all destinations, when motorists yell at us to get on the path or go ride somewhere else, etc. Well it can very well be the same with someone running or jogging.
If there are a LOT of people in an area using a bike lane to jog when there's an adjacent path, then there could be an issue. Maybe, and I'm not even sure about that. But please don't be concerned about one person jogging in a bike lane.
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For the path in question, the road, bike lane, and path all terminate on the same street. So I don't know. But I'm going to tap out of this one! I haven't been bicycling "seriously" for very long. I also know I'm a big scaredy cat and do a lot to avoid riding in streets if I can help it, because of my history with being in a major accident as a pedestrian. There's a lot for me to learn yet, which is why I'm here. Sorry for all the problems I've already caused.
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That sort of sentiment is a slippery slope. Many motorists don't think cyclists belong in "their" "car" lane, which we all know is false thinking...
As soon as you start thinking/saying that bike lanes are "your" lanes, then that justifies motorists to think that the travel lanes are "their" lanes and cyclists should never use them. That does no one any good.
As soon as you start thinking/saying that bike lanes are "your" lanes, then that justifies motorists to think that the travel lanes are "their" lanes and cyclists should never use them. That does no one any good.
The difference is that joggers are not traffic and are not legally allowed to use the traffic lanes (bike or car). Cyclists are legally allowed to use the traffic lanes. Joggers are not. There is a difference.
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I'm happy to surrender a moment of my time for pedestrians, and service providers the same as I wish of others for myself.
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I'm a nice person but disrespecting me, or being plan ignorant takes me from cool and collected to raging mad man in a matter of miliseconds.. Literally almost been in a few fist fights during my travels.. Some probably would have been if I could have caught them..
Whats the best way to deal with this? I have zero tolerance for the imbeciles
Whats the best way to deal with this? I have zero tolerance for the imbeciles
1) Dude, get over yourself....
2) See #1
3) Stay away from coffee, seriously.
I love coffee, but I find that whatever it is about coffee caffiene it makes me GET angry rather than ACT angry while on the job. And GETTING angry is both exhausting and self-defeating.
Diet Coke and tea don't affect me that way, strange, but works fer me.
4) ...and it ain't the honking alone that's at fault, its the whole context.
Case in point; if you had just left the bed of a beautiful, compliant woman that morning I'd guess you'd be riding along dreamily with a silly grin on your face DESPITE all the honking in the world (I mean, that's how I am).
5) See #1 again....
JMHO,
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I'm a nice person but disrespecting me, or being plan ignorant takes me from cool and collected to raging mad man in a matter of miliseconds.. Literally almost been in a few fist fights during my travels.. Some probably would have been if I could have caught them..
Whats the best way to deal with this? I have zero tolerance for the imbeciles
Whats the best way to deal with this? I have zero tolerance for the imbeciles
1) Dude, get over yourself....
2) See #1
3) Stay away from coffee, seriously.
I love coffee, but I find that whatever it is about coffee caffiene it makes me GET angry rather than ACT angry while on the job. And GETTING angry is both exhausting and self-defeating.
Diet Coke and tea don't affect me that way, strange, but works fer me.
4) ...and it ain't the honking alone that's at fault, its the whole context.
Case in point; if you had just left the bed of a beautiful, compliant woman that morning I'd guess you'd be riding along dreamily with a silly grin on your face DESPITE all the honking in the world (I mean, that's how I am).
5) See #1 again....
JMHO,
Mike
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Me too, but we are not talking about pedestrians or service providers using the bike lane for a short period of time out of necessity. We are talking about joggers using traffic lanes for recreational purposes, which isn't legal or courteous to traffic.
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When I used to run in my neighborhood, I almost always ran IN THE STREET on the left side, and not on the sidewalk, because the street has a much smoother and more even surface. The sidewalk often has trash and lots of uneven joints all over the place.
But since there's no bike lane, no one ever had any problem. Hmmm... yet another reason to not have bike lanes.
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9-60-080 Walking along roadways.
(a) Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for a pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a roadway shall when practicable walk only on the left side of the roadway or its shoulder facing traffic that may approach from the opposite direction.
(a) Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for a pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a roadway shall when practicable walk only on the left side of the roadway or its shoulder facing traffic that may approach from the opposite direction.
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9-60-080 Walking along roadways.
(a) Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for a pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a roadway shall when practicable walk only on the left side of the roadway or its shoulder facing traffic that may approach from the opposite direction.
(a) Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for a pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and upon a roadway shall when practicable walk only on the left side of the roadway or its shoulder facing traffic that may approach from the opposite direction.
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Rhode Island state law, where @hannathing is from:
§ 31-18-10 Walking in street prohibited. – Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway. Where sidewalks are provided it shall be lawful for a person to run or jog along and upon an adjacent roadway, and if the person shall begin to walk he or she shall walk upon an available sidewalk.
So if you're running or jogging, you can use the street. If you're walking and a sidewalk is available, use the sidewalk or path.
I see other issues and loopholes with that law, but it is what it is.
§ 31-18-10 Walking in street prohibited. – Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway. Where sidewalks are provided it shall be lawful for a person to run or jog along and upon an adjacent roadway, and if the person shall begin to walk he or she shall walk upon an available sidewalk.
So if you're running or jogging, you can use the street. If you're walking and a sidewalk is available, use the sidewalk or path.
I see other issues and loopholes with that law, but it is what it is.
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Personally, its only a few times a year, mostly when I'm within Seattle city limits where there are more disruptions in general, and not out of proportion for the environment.
Besides, the jogger in front of me today might be the driver behind me tomorrow.........we sometimes reap what we sow.
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Its not a legitimate reason because the majority of folks all over the world like, and understand how to use them. We shouldn't be hamstrung by the few fragile enthusiasts who don't.
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