Are you spending a lot of money on bicycle commuting?
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I think the real savings comes if you can replace a car completely with bike(s). For some people (me included) that would likely mean using some kind of e-bike for the longer trips. If I could get rid of my car altogether, I could probably justify about $2K or so for an e-bike or e-bike conversion. Then I could probably ride to work every day of the week instead of only 2 days a week.
But at this point my wife's car is more of a POS than my car so I can't really justify getting rid of mine right now.
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Generally, a lot of threads and posts, address the issue of how much we're saving by bicycle commuting. However, as I look back at the last year, I realize that I've spent a lot of money on bicycle commuting... and I didn't buy a new bicycle. I made some rather significant modifications to my existing commuter. E-bike kit and disc brakes. The E-bike kit ran $2300 + $75 for installation. The conversion to disc brakes cost $500+. I bought new tires at the time of the e-bike conversion (schwalbe marathon plus, $47 each.) So, nearly $3000 for the year.
I don't think it was a money saving thing last year. I also spent $400+ on parts for my road bike (frame replacement by cannondale - had to buy new parts to fit a new frame.) OK, so I'm not paying for gas, insurance, or parking and I don't have a 3rd car for a 3-driver family. But, I don't think I'm going to use the "saving money" card to justify my love of riding my bicycles. They are sweet bikes, but make no mistake... they aren't cheap or inexpensive.
I don't think it was a money saving thing last year. I also spent $400+ on parts for my road bike (frame replacement by cannondale - had to buy new parts to fit a new frame.) OK, so I'm not paying for gas, insurance, or parking and I don't have a 3rd car for a 3-driver family. But, I don't think I'm going to use the "saving money" card to justify my love of riding my bicycles. They are sweet bikes, but make no mistake... they aren't cheap or inexpensive.
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I won't categorize myself as a fit or healthy person. I'm overweight, have diabetes, on blood pressure medication, and cholesterol medication. My bicycle commutes help, but I won't call them a "fitness activity." There will always be someone fitter than I am and healthier than I am. But, I do love riding my bikes.
1. You don't have to be geared up like an athlete and sweating bullets while "working out" to be engaged in healthy movement that, cumulatively, makes a difference.
2. Many people are almost entirely sedentary. Any movement built into the day makes a difference in their long-term fitness level. That's why pedometers can be such powerful fitness trackers even if they don't motivate people to go out to take a walk but just to get up from their desks and move around more often.
Being fit isn't about being athletic; it is about having a body suited (fitted) to the normal activities you want to do on a daily basis. Being able to walk up the steps or get on the floor to play with kids are fine fitness goals.
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i bought a new bike last may, but it wasn't really for bike commuting, so i suppose that doesn't count.
i did buy a new wheelset and new disc brakes (avid BB5's suck!) for my everyday CX commuter - $500.
that was my only bike commuting related expense of 2015 that i can think of.
spread out over the year, that's only 40 bucks a month, still way cheaper than owning a car.
i did buy a new wheelset and new disc brakes (avid BB5's suck!) for my everyday CX commuter - $500.
that was my only bike commuting related expense of 2015 that i can think of.
spread out over the year, that's only 40 bucks a month, still way cheaper than owning a car.
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A shorter answer to the original question: Not any more.
I used to spend a fair amount of money on upgrades, tires and clothes for winter etc. That was when I was doing triathlons on a regular basis and tinkering with bikes was a major hobby. But I bought used bikes and used parts when I could. I probably have no more than $1,200 into any one bike.
Now I only replace parts that need replacing. I haven't made any kind of major upgrade or accessory purchase in a few years. My current most ridden bike is the one that was the least expensive to buy and it's dirt cheap to maintain.
I used to spend a fair amount of money on upgrades, tires and clothes for winter etc. That was when I was doing triathlons on a regular basis and tinkering with bikes was a major hobby. But I bought used bikes and used parts when I could. I probably have no more than $1,200 into any one bike.
Now I only replace parts that need replacing. I haven't made any kind of major upgrade or accessory purchase in a few years. My current most ridden bike is the one that was the least expensive to buy and it's dirt cheap to maintain.
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It's an interesting question. I have never bought a bike primarily for commuting; I've always ridden a bike I would have had anyway. I did buy a new light and I received a very nice backpack from my kids for Xmas. But even that puts me under $200 for the year, far less than the $1800 I would otherwise spend on parking.
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I've been commuting by bike for 4 months
Paid £40 for my bike, (cheap old hybrid) and added new tyres, new chain, new inners, new back cassette, back light, bike lock, front light, pannier bags ...
the total cost (including the cost of the bike) is £224
had I have travelled by bus/train to work, I would have spent £453.60
so, not a huge saving so far, but I have most of the gear, and from now on if I keep this bike, I should save £6.30 per day (£150+ per 4 week month)
and ..... it's a lot faster by bike .... I work at several sites every day, and now get home more than an hour and a half earlier
Paid £40 for my bike, (cheap old hybrid) and added new tyres, new chain, new inners, new back cassette, back light, bike lock, front light, pannier bags ...
the total cost (including the cost of the bike) is £224
had I have travelled by bus/train to work, I would have spent £453.60
so, not a huge saving so far, but I have most of the gear, and from now on if I keep this bike, I should save £6.30 per day (£150+ per 4 week month)
and ..... it's a lot faster by bike .... I work at several sites every day, and now get home more than an hour and a half earlier
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Yes and no. I have spent a few dollars but for maintenance and replacing worn parts and equipment. When I look at what it would cost me to drive everyday, I still am in the black, not to mention the enjoyment and exercise I get.
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It was a rather expensive year for bike-commuting for me, driven by a $92.00 used Selle Anatomica Titanico X saddle I bought off eBay; my previous saddle (a vintage leather Ideale I got from my dad) was tearing. Other than that, lots of little bits&bobs, most of it I think falls under periodic maintenance:
92.00 Titanico X
14.36 brake pads
11.59 super-cheap 'pinned' platform pedals
6.06 VP-1 patch kits X 2
8.98 Cree XML T6 zoomable flashlight (headlight)
16.52 helmet (catlike whisper knockoff)
6.63 rack bracket (for road-found cygolite hotshot)
1.71 red bar tape
.68 red plastic chainstay protector
13.59 red housing/cables
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In comparison, I paid $279.92 in gas to drive my car 2102 miles. If I replaced all my bike commutes with driving, that would be an additional ~2000 miles. So I guess I saved about $100. But it's not every year I buy a blingy saddle.
(Now those are only my commuting-related bike expenses, there was probably almost $2000 more because my wife & I each got new mtb this year, plus various other maintenance costs for the fleet)
92.00 Titanico X
14.36 brake pads
11.59 super-cheap 'pinned' platform pedals
6.06 VP-1 patch kits X 2
8.98 Cree XML T6 zoomable flashlight (headlight)
16.52 helmet (catlike whisper knockoff)
6.63 rack bracket (for road-found cygolite hotshot)
1.71 red bar tape
.68 red plastic chainstay protector
13.59 red housing/cables
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172.12
In comparison, I paid $279.92 in gas to drive my car 2102 miles. If I replaced all my bike commutes with driving, that would be an additional ~2000 miles. So I guess I saved about $100. But it's not every year I buy a blingy saddle.
(Now those are only my commuting-related bike expenses, there was probably almost $2000 more because my wife & I each got new mtb this year, plus various other maintenance costs for the fleet)
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?!?! How do you save $1000/year not even counting gas? Parking & tolls?
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Parking in downtown Sacramento, which is not exactly a huge metropolis, is $150/month. I would imagine it's at least as much in the DC area.
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No. I go through a pair of tires each year, and I buy a lot of patch kits (~$75). This past year I needed to replace a freewheel ($45 for a vintage Italian-threaded Regina, yes I commute with it) and a pair of pedals, though I had an extra set of pedals already in my parts bin (paid $20 for them). I also bought some new lights ($100). In total, I spent about $250 in commuting expenses last year. This is still much cheaper than driving to work; monthly parking is expensive ($150+ per month) and I'm bad at avoiding parking tickets ($72 each in Oakland for 2-hour parking or expired meters)
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I started with one bike, a MTB, that I used for (dirt road) cottage riding and then commuting. I then decided that it wasn't working for me so I bought a 29er that I more miles on commuting than riding at the cottage but I used it for both. However, for the purpose of commuting, I switched out the knobby tires for narrower smoother tires and I bought some lights and a rear rack and panniers. As time went on, just a couple of years, I used it less and less at the cottage because of the smoothish tires but I was still getting a lot of use out of it commuting. I then developed an interest in bike touring so with the inheritance from my mum's passing, I bought a touring bike and another set of lights. The touring bike became my commuting bike and I put knobbies back on my 29er for cottage use. I purchased a handle bar bag (used some old smaller, broken panniers on the front which have been replaced this week with new nice ones) and went on a short bike tour (with plans to do more touring over the years). I then went on a 190km recreational weekend bike ride and later went on a 900km charity bike ride and although the other riders made sure that I was never alone, I was always the last with my 40lb touring bike. Because I plan to do more recreational and charity bike rides, I bought a nice used road bike and although I will use it sometimes while commuting, it will likely be that I will extend my morning commute on that bike to get in some training time/distance for the next event. For very little money, I had picked up an old road bike and was thinking of selling it until I realized that putting some 650B wheels and wider tires on it, I could use it to ride out to the cottage (70km).
Have I spent a lot on commuting? Not really because most of the expenses/bikes listed above have not been specifically for commuting but rather another activity + commuting. Sure, wear and tear on tires, tubes, brake pads and cycling kit has primarily been because commuting is where most of my distances is done but each bike has been purchased for a specific purpose and, strangely enough, none specifically for commuting: I don't have the money to afford a purely commuting bike and right now, if I did, it would likely be very similar to one of the ones I currently have. It is likely that I will lose my 29er to my son and I'm not sure I'll replace it.
Have I spent a lot on commuting? Not really because most of the expenses/bikes listed above have not been specifically for commuting but rather another activity + commuting. Sure, wear and tear on tires, tubes, brake pads and cycling kit has primarily been because commuting is where most of my distances is done but each bike has been purchased for a specific purpose and, strangely enough, none specifically for commuting: I don't have the money to afford a purely commuting bike and right now, if I did, it would likely be very similar to one of the ones I currently have. It is likely that I will lose my 29er to my son and I'm not sure I'll replace it.
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In bike commuting, don't forget to include the additional cost of food. Say, an extra 1,000 calories per day. Gasoline is such a dense fuel source, it may be cheaper to drive on a pure cents per mile basis. And this is despite the vehicle weighing 100 times more than a bicycle. Since oil extraction and processing is so compact (footprint) relative to food production, the extra food requirement for cyclists may actually have a larger negative impact to the environment.
I have a cousin who likes to do triathlons. He's obsessive about his calorie intake and buys specialized sports nutrition products to consume while he's riding his bike. The extra food intake of cycling costs him money. For me, I don't change my food intake based on whether or not I've ridden the bike unless I'm dieting, in which case having ridden the bike just gives me the freedom to take in as many calories as I would have wanted to anyway and still lose a few pounds. I don't think I've had an unplanned calorie deficit since I was 12. I don't think I'm unusual in this respect.
My commute is about 10 miles each way and most calorie calculators I've looked at estimate this as burning somewhere between 450 and 600 calories each way, but I have found that if I subtract that number (even the low end estimate) from my calorie consumption on whatever diet plan I'm using I don't lose weight. I have to use a figure that is about half of the typical estimates. If I'm not trying to lose weight, I just eat what I feel like eating and I maintain my weight without any problems.
As for the environmental impact, I don't have a study to back this up but ask yourself, who is more likely to have a cheeseburger for lunch, the person who rides a bike to work or the person who drives to work? Healthy lifestyle choices tend to lead to more healthy lifestyle choices and vice versa. I would wager that people with sedentary lifestyles consume a lot more cheeseburgers than people who are active. For instance, although as per my argument above riding my bike to work frees me to eat a cheeseburger with fewer consequences, I also know that I'm more likely to see the performance gains I'd like to achieve as a cyclist if I choose a lunch that's lower in fat and maybe have some vegetables on the side. Don't get me wrong, I still make the bad choices and eat the cheeseburgers pretty often but, honestly, not as often as I did before I started cycling.
Finally, every time you drive your car it becomes more likely to break down because things are wearing out. The same is true of your bike. It's not true of your body. That's where the real cost of biking to work comes in. I'm probably going to have an extra 5 to 7 years of food and shelter costs to cover that I could avoid by not being physically active.
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Well, this thread went the way of all the other threads. It's all about how much you're saving. Not for me. I invest in my commute as a fun time. I have come to realize that I spend much more money on my commuting bicycle than most. Call me crazy... but I'm having crazy fun. Thus far this year, I have commuted by bicycle 11 of 14 workdays. 2 days by scooter (I only do that to keep riding it through the winter so I don't have to "winterize/store" it.) And one day by car - had a flat on the commuter bike that wasn't fixed in time for the commute... and the weather was too horrible for the scooter. Riding a commuter bike that I love keeps me commuting by bicycle... and probably spending more money. I always take the long way home.
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I draw similarities between biking and hammock camping. People will sometimes say that camping with a hammock is lighter than a tent, but that is usually not the case. Sure, the hammock is lighter, but after you factor in a tarp, an over-quilt, an under-quilt, tree wraps, tie-outs and a multitude of stakes it really doesn't make your camping experience lighter. It may let you enjoy your sleep a little more, but it isn't lighter.
That being said, I've spent significantly less money on my bike than on my car, gas & maintenance, however, I do WAY more laundry & biking is an investment in time on prep, tear-down & weekly maintenance and care. In the past month I spent around $500 in clothes for winter & biking, so that certainly plays into the mix as well.
That being said, I've spent significantly less money on my bike than on my car, gas & maintenance, however, I do WAY more laundry & biking is an investment in time on prep, tear-down & weekly maintenance and care. In the past month I spent around $500 in clothes for winter & biking, so that certainly plays into the mix as well.
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I think for the vast majority of people this is an empty argument, and a little silly. Would you count the extra expense of more food in the cost of a gym membership?
I have a cousin who likes to do triathlons. He's obsessive about his calorie intake and buys specialized sports nutrition products to consume while he's riding his bike. The extra food intake of cycling costs him money. For me, I don't change my food intake based on whether or not I've ridden the bike unless I'm dieting, in which case having ridden the bike just gives me the freedom to take in as many calories as I would have wanted to anyway and still lose a few pounds. I don't think I've had an unplanned calorie deficit since I was 12. I don't think I'm unusual in this respect.
My commute is about 10 miles each way and most calorie calculators I've looked at estimate this as burning somewhere between 450 and 600 calories each way, but I have found that if I subtract that number (even the low end estimate) from my calorie consumption on whatever diet plan I'm using I don't lose weight. I have to use a figure that is about half of the typical estimates. If I'm not trying to lose weight, I just eat what I feel like eating and I maintain my weight without any problems.
As for the environmental impact, I don't have a study to back this up but ask yourself, who is more likely to have a cheeseburger for lunch, the person who rides a bike to work or the person who drives to work? Healthy lifestyle choices tend to lead to more healthy lifestyle choices and vice versa. I would wager that people with sedentary lifestyles consume a lot more cheeseburgers than people who are active. For instance, although as per my argument above riding my bike to work frees me to eat a cheeseburger with fewer consequences, I also know that I'm more likely to see the performance gains I'd like to achieve as a cyclist if I choose a lunch that's lower in fat and maybe have some vegetables on the side. Don't get me wrong, I still make the bad choices and eat the cheeseburgers pretty often but, honestly, not as often as I did before I started cycling.
Finally, every time you drive your car it becomes more likely to break down because things are wearing out. The same is true of your bike. It's not true of your body. That's where the real cost of biking to work comes in. I'm probably going to have an extra 5 to 7 years of food and shelter costs to cover that I could avoid by not being physically active.
I have a cousin who likes to do triathlons. He's obsessive about his calorie intake and buys specialized sports nutrition products to consume while he's riding his bike. The extra food intake of cycling costs him money. For me, I don't change my food intake based on whether or not I've ridden the bike unless I'm dieting, in which case having ridden the bike just gives me the freedom to take in as many calories as I would have wanted to anyway and still lose a few pounds. I don't think I've had an unplanned calorie deficit since I was 12. I don't think I'm unusual in this respect.
My commute is about 10 miles each way and most calorie calculators I've looked at estimate this as burning somewhere between 450 and 600 calories each way, but I have found that if I subtract that number (even the low end estimate) from my calorie consumption on whatever diet plan I'm using I don't lose weight. I have to use a figure that is about half of the typical estimates. If I'm not trying to lose weight, I just eat what I feel like eating and I maintain my weight without any problems.
As for the environmental impact, I don't have a study to back this up but ask yourself, who is more likely to have a cheeseburger for lunch, the person who rides a bike to work or the person who drives to work? Healthy lifestyle choices tend to lead to more healthy lifestyle choices and vice versa. I would wager that people with sedentary lifestyles consume a lot more cheeseburgers than people who are active. For instance, although as per my argument above riding my bike to work frees me to eat a cheeseburger with fewer consequences, I also know that I'm more likely to see the performance gains I'd like to achieve as a cyclist if I choose a lunch that's lower in fat and maybe have some vegetables on the side. Don't get me wrong, I still make the bad choices and eat the cheeseburgers pretty often but, honestly, not as often as I did before I started cycling.
Finally, every time you drive your car it becomes more likely to break down because things are wearing out. The same is true of your bike. It's not true of your body. That's where the real cost of biking to work comes in. I'm probably going to have an extra 5 to 7 years of food and shelter costs to cover that I could avoid by not being physically active.
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So what I got out of that is that I need to buy some Zipps to reduce my carbon footprint.
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I have been scanning this thread and I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but if you only put 5,000 miles on your car per year like I do (mostly from a 400 mile drive to visit family), the value of your car goes up every mile you ride. Plus, who can put a price on the escape and the mental "unplug" that attracts most people who commute?
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I spend more on cigarettes for my aunt monthly than I do for bike commuting. On the other hand over the course of the last year, I've spent roughly $550, but that includes purchasing a brand spankin' new bike in it too... so probably closer to $150 on commuting if I don't count the new bike that is put up till nicer weather.
As for how much I save/spend vs driving, couldn't tell ya, I don't drive. Never have.
As for how much I save/spend vs driving, couldn't tell ya, I don't drive. Never have.
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My primary bike is a Workcycles Opafiets that cost about $1500. It came with just about everything needed; front & rear dynamo lights, ring lock on the rear wheel, heavy duty rear rack, heavy duty frame mounted front rack, fenders, mudguards, spats, chaincase, brooks leather saddle, ... Over 25 years and 50,000 miles of riding it will need maybe 4 sets of tires, a chain or two, maybe some new cables. Guesstimate $500 max. No special clothes, shoes, helmets or anything. So $2,000 / 25 years = $80/yr.
And it will still be good for another 25 years.
And it will still be good for another 25 years.