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Old 02-25-16, 01:07 PM   #101
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Well, yes, I see it as a somewhat dangerous activity. Too many variables out of one's control.
such as it is with almost everything in life.
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It's interesting how, as bicyclists, when there is a question about another cyclist's behavior, we all assume the cyclist must have been acting recklessly, obliviously, rudely, or arrogantly. No wonder non-cyclists see us that way, too!

Like, for example, how those who are against handlebar-mounted speakers automatically assume that any cyclist who uses one is "forcing their music on other people" or creating "pollution" or behaving in a manner that is repulsive to everyone else around them. I am one of the most considerate people I know. In fact, many people fault me for "always putting everybody else first." I also ride with a small, low-powered speaker on my handlebar that is constantly pumping out either country, soft rock, blues, or "happy" songs from the 50's, 60's, and 70's. When I come upon other cyclists or pedestrians, or when I am simply riding through a neighborhood where people are relaxing outside, the first thing I do is adjust my volume so that I do not interfere with anyone's light conversation, cleansing walk in the park, or meditational moment. Even if my favorite Beatles' song of all time is playing, I will shut the speaker down just as a courtesy to those around me. I have made a lot of people smile with my stupid little speaker, but never have I misjudged a situation so badly that I even came close to offending someone with the music on my bicycle.

This music/no music question is purely subjective. It makes good conversation until we start calling each other idiots.

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If the shoe fits Just like in a car, you are responsible for rear ending someone.
Never looked it at it that way, but it actually makes a lot of sense. I stand corrected. I'll try to be more careful in the future.
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It's interesting how, as bicyclists, when there is a question about another cyclist's behavior, we all assume the cyclist must have been acting recklessly, obliviously, rudely, or arrogantly. No wonder non-cyclists see us that way, too!

Like, for example, how those who are against handlebar-mounted speakers automatically assume that any cyclist who uses one is "forcing their music on other people" or creating "pollution" or behaving in a manner that is repulsive to everyone else around them. I am one of the most considerate people I know. In fact, many people fault me for "always putting everybody else first." I also ride with a small, low-powered speaker on my handlebar that is constantly pumping out either country, soft rock, blues, or "happy" songs from the 50's, 60's, and 70's. When I come upon other cyclists or pedestrians, or when I am simply riding through a neighborhood where people are relaxing outside, the first thing I do is adjust my volume so that I do not interfere with anyone's light conversation, cleansing walk in the park, or meditational moment. Even if my favorite Beatles' song of all time is playing, I will shut the speaker down just as a courtesy to those around me. I have made a lot of people smile with my stupid little speaker, but never have I misjudged a situation so badly that I even came close to offending someone with the music on my bicycle.

This music/no music question is purely subjective. It makes good conversation until we start calling each other idiots.
These threads always bring those people out. There are so many other things on the road that I encounter during my commute that are way louder than the 2" Bluetooth speaker I use. It's laughable how somebody can have the attitude that I'm polluting the air with that thing.


Get off your high horses people we're just frickin riding our bikes.
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such as it is with almost everything in life.
I read the below exchange in a book, and it's stuck with me for a long time:

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I didn't take the time to read the replies, but it is very discriminating to deny deaf people the right to cycling.
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You almost collided with a bicyclist because of your own poor cycling behavior- tailgating/following too close and nobody else should wear headphones or listen to anything but for the sound of arrogant tailgater's music or noisy cassette; got it.
I 100% agree with this. Never ride in such a way that an unexpected movement by another cyclist or pedestrian could cause a crash. If you do so, you are being irresponsible, not the person going about their day with a reasonable expectation that some jerk isn't riding along a foot behind them.
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These threads always bring those people out. There are so many other things on the road that I encounter during my commute that are way louder than the 2" Bluetooth speaker I use. It's laughable how somebody can have the attitude that I'm polluting the air with that thing.


Get off your high horses people we're just frickin riding our bikes.
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It's interesting how, as bicyclists, when there is a question about another cyclist's behavior, we all assume the cyclist must have been acting recklessly, obliviously, rudely, or arrogantly. No wonder non-cyclists see us that way, too!

Like, for example, how those who are against handlebar-mounted speakers automatically assume that any cyclist who uses one is "forcing their music on other people" or creating "pollution" or behaving in a manner that is repulsive to everyone else around them. I am one of the most considerate people I know. In fact, many people fault me for "always putting everybody else first." I also ride with a small, low-powered speaker on my handlebar that is constantly pumping out either country, soft rock, blues, or "happy" songs from the 50's, 60's, and 70's. When I come upon other cyclists or pedestrians, or when I am simply riding through a neighborhood where people are relaxing outside, the first thing I do is adjust my volume so that I do not interfere with anyone's light conversation, cleansing walk in the park, or meditational moment. Even if my favorite Beatles' song of all time is playing, I will shut the speaker down just as a courtesy to those around me. I have made a lot of people smile with my stupid little speaker, but never have I misjudged a situation so badly that I even came close to offending someone with the music on my bicycle.

This music/no music question is purely subjective. It makes good conversation until we start calling each other idiots.
Playing music at a reasonable volume, and with respect for ones location is what makes the difference.

If I can hear someones auditory garbage 100 feet away on a MUT through a wetlands preserve on a peaceful evening, they're simply being self centered jerks. A few moments of music as they pass by on a busy road is nothing. Some noise is also foul, or obscene, and not appropriate in public, but that's a different issue

Some don't understand the difference, music puts them in a self absorbed zone, that's the problem.
Playing music in public is like smoking in public, it falls entirely on the user to take whatever steps necessary to not burden others with their habit.

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Only no matter how bad the music might be, it's not going to give anyone cancer.
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just got a car that can take an SD card so I'm listening to podcasts. this is really enjoyable so I'm gonna try some when I bike. I only use 1 earbud in my right ear and only loud enough to hear wutz playing. my son has earbuds that completely shut out any sound from his surroundings and I think that's dangerous even at home
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Does this gadget have an internal mp3 player, too?
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Amazon.com: Ivation Bike Beakon: Portable Rechargeable Bluetooth Speakers & MP3 Player w/ MicroSD Card Slot, AUX Input, FM Radio & Built in Flashlight - Neon Red: Electronics
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I've looked into the Beacon before and decided I wouldn't be happy with the fact that the internal mp3 player has no Shuffle mode.
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I can't seem to keep the record from skipping when I ride.

And the best part about that Ivation Bike Beakon is definitely this:
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Play the Kazoo as you ride.
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Fourplays' "101 Eastbound" plays in my head most days that I ride. No equipment required.

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JBL charge 2+ (water resistant) fits in the cage, wired to FM just like in the car or Bluetooth from the phone and a big battery for charging. Get mostly thumbs up even when its loud.
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Nah this is definitely better.

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I don't own a smartphone, iTunes, Walkman, or any of those portable music things. However, I don't see how listening to music while riding is any different than using a car radio when driving. Then again, two of my favorite cars did not have radios.
I don't know... maybe because when you bicycle you don't have a crumple zone in front of you, backed up by a collapsible steering column with built in air-bag? Maybe the bar for defensive awareness is higher because you have much less protective hardware on a bicycle? And... YMMV but on the very rare occasions when I must drive, I instinctively and automatically turn down, or off, the radio in cars, when I am parallel parking or navigating a busy parking lot. I don't crank it up until I hit the on-ramp of a freeway and the road ahead is nice and straight.
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Do y'all listen to music while cycling? If so, do you wear earphones and what type? Do you use a speaker? What type of music do you listen to?

I find that I'm faster when I have music while cycling. Usually, I listen to something with a pretty fast tempo. There's a huge variety of what I listen to, so I've been making loads of playlists and stealing some from sites where you can post them. I use the earbuds that came with my Galaxy, and either have the volume pretty low or leave one out.
I almost missed a later post of yours in this thread where you relate to being right hooked, but that your music had nothing to do with it. Maybe, maybe not. I'll just put it out there that I ride a tandem with a blind stoker and she always knows when a car slides up next to us. Even walking down the street she knows where the parked cars are! When I approach an intersection with a car on my left, I always pull ahead of it, or if I cannot pull ahead I wait and let the car go through first. No exceptions. You could have been badly hurt or worse. I find it kind of interesting that the most vociferous arguments that came later in the thread, are on the part of cyclists that ride with music. At least one of you has been hit riding. It would be very interesting to poll the non-music users and see if any have been hit. What I know is that a cyclist that gives enough attention to the many different components of a comprehensive package of road safety tools that they eschew music while on the road are also up to date on other aspects of defensive riding. If it weren't a matter of life and death I wouldn't even bother post. One can ride a lifetime and never get right hooked. Ever. A cyclist has to be practically obsessive about the small stuff.
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I almost missed a later post of yours in this thread where you relate to being right hooked, but that your music had nothing to do with it. Maybe, maybe not. I'll just put it out there that I ride a tandem with a blind stoker and she always knows when a car slides up next to us. Even walking down the street she knows where the parked cars are! When I approach an intersection with a car on my left, I always pull ahead of it, or if I cannot pull ahead I wait and let the car go through first. No exceptions. You could have been badly hurt or worse. I find it kind of interesting that the most vociferous arguments that came later in the thread, are on the part of cyclists that ride with music. At least one of you has been hit riding. It would be very interesting to poll the non-music users and see if any have been hit. What I know is that a cyclist that gives enough attention to the many different components of a comprehensive package of road safety tools that they eschew music while on the road are also up to date on other aspects of defensive riding. If it weren't a matter of life and death I wouldn't even bother post. One can ride a lifetime and never get right hooked. Ever. A cyclist has to be practically obsessive about the small stuff.
I was hooked from the left. She turned right in to my front tire. I ride with my left earbud out, and my volume on the lowest setting.

The street I was swiped on has no parking and is very wide. A lot of drivers treat it as two lanes even though it is only one. I had spotted her and made sure I was as far right as possible, and waved her past. I noticed her blinker was on and thought she was waiting for me to overtake her so she could turn. Instead she turned into me.

The police officer said I wasn't at fault. The woman's insurance said I wasn't at fault. I'm not sure my single earbud made a difference. I'm not sure I could have prevented her hitting.
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I was hooked from the left. She turned right in to my front tire. I ride with my left earbud out, and my volume on the lowest setting.

The street I was swiped on has no parking and is very wide. A lot of drivers treat it as two lanes even though it is only one. I had spotted her and made sure I was as far right as possible, and waved her past. I noticed her blinker was on and thought she was waiting for me to overtake her so she could turn. Instead she turned into me.

The police officer said I wasn't at fault. The woman's insurance said I wasn't at fault. I'm not sure my single earbud made a difference. I'm not sure I could have prevented her hitting.
You are describing a classic "right hook". They call it that, even though the car comes from your left. I was left hooked driving a car by a teen driver that had been in the streetcar lane (forbidden!) and turned left out of it into me. I hit her and totaled her car and caused over $2K of damage to mine. I was cleared by her insurance company and didn't pay a cent in damages even though I was in a rental car and had not purchased any insurance.

Even though the story ends well for me. I know that I could have prevented that accident if I hadn't just been fighting (squabbling more like it) with my wife, and had stormed out of the house mad, and was driving in a strange city without any GPS. Maybe there was nothing I could do but I keep the pressure on myself because it keeps you sharp for the next time.
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You are describing a classic "right hook". They call it that, even though the car comes from your left. I was left hooked driving a car by a teen driver that had been in the streetcar lane (forbidden!) and turned left out of it into me. I hit her and totaled her car and caused over $2K of damage to mine. I was cleared by her insurance company and didn't pay a cent in damages even though I was in a rental car and had not purchased any insurance.

Even though the story ends well for me. I know that I could have prevented that accident if I hadn't just been fighting (squabbling more like it) with my wife, and had stormed out of the house mad, and was driving in a strange city without any GPS. Maybe there was nothing I could do but I keep the pressure on myself because it keeps you sharp for the next time.
I can't bring myself to hold onto that woman’s mistake and use it to beat myself half to death. I learned from it, I'm a more defensive rider, I changed my route to have less busy streets and more bike lanes. Maybe I feel this way because I was a pedestrian in a fairly bad accident when I was kid. So many people told me I was lucky, lucky it wasn't worse, lucky I was young, lucky I was--.

The whole thing comes down to the fact that I've lived my life a "before the accident" and "after the accident". It has always cast a shadow on certain aspects of my life. It certainly is a huge part of why I cycle to work, instead of drive. I already beat myself up for that. I don't need to add this to the list too.

This is also the least well organized response I've ever written! I'm sorry.
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