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View Poll Results: What are you most likely to do if you get passed by an e-bike?
Curse the rider out for being a reckless cheater 4 3.57%
Pick up the pace leaving them in my dust. 12 10.71%
Get angry and start a thread on BF about it. 6 5.36%
Tell the rider their shoe is untied and see if they look. 6 5.36%
Nothing. Maybe not even notice. (yawn) 48 42.86%
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Old 03-18-17, 10:44 PM   #101
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Ha, Ha, That's just so full of BS, that it is un-believable... How can you think you have expended the same amount of "energy" when, lets say you are receiving 35% or more "assistance" to do a certain amount of miles...

Lets say 10 miles in 1/2 Hr, but it would take you 45 minutes to do the same thing, on your own... But, you only pedalled for 1/2 Hr,... to me it means you spent at least 35% less energy than doing it all on your own... Because, not only did you only pedal using 35% less energy, but you also rode for lets say only 1/2 Hr instead of 45 minutes, about 35% less energy for about 1/2 or the time, than it would have taken you to do it without assistance... JMO
I have no idea regarding the actual energy. I can tell you I feel a lot of cardio load, still, with my ebike. Also, I push a lot harder after the top of my big hills, sooner. I have worn out knees, so on my non-ebike I need to use a little caution after the big hills and during the big hills. My shirts are pretty sweaty, but not quite as sweaty. Just impressions of course, but impressions based upon real experience in an area with intense hills and using just enough boost to protect my knees. The totally energy burn big difference is the reduced time. But, I am happy to be getting a workout to and from work, and doing it without burning up my knees.
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The results of the study don't agree with your opinion.

"After collecting, tabulating and analyzing the data, La Salle reached three key conclusions:

(1) The actual amount of energy expended by the riders was nearly identical for both modes: electric-assist and manual.

(2) The biggest difference was in the time it took to complete the circuit; on average riding the eBike took around 1 minute less than in the non-electric mode.

(3) Significantly, all the riders rated their perceived exertion (RPE) using the ACSM’s scale as being easier using electric mode made. If riding the bike in manual mode was rated 15, riding it in pedal-assist mode was a 10. That’s a huge difference in rider perception between the two modes.

So, in effect, as a group, they completed the course sooner, felt better at the end, and yet burned virtually the same amount of energy."
https://i0.wp.com/electricbikereport...t-cheating.jpg

Yes they burned about the same amount of energy while they were pedaling... but they would only pedal for 45% to 65% of time (length of time), because they could go faster, thus actually not putting out the 55% to 35% of the energy it would have taken to do the same ride on a normal bicycle... That, in my book means they would never put out the same amount of energy doing the same ride with an E-Bike and then with a normal bicycle... It's just the way it is...

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I have no idea regarding the actual energy. I can tell you I feel a lot of cardio load, still, with my ebike. Also, I push a lot harder after the top of my big hills, sooner. I have worn out knees, so on my non-ebike I need to use a little caution after the big hills and during the big hills. My shirts are pretty sweaty, but not quite as sweaty. Just impressions of course, but impressions based upon real experience in an area with intense hills and using just enough boost to protect my knees. The totally energy burn big difference is the reduced time. But, I am happy to be getting a workout to and from work, and doing it without burning up my knees.
Exactly, you certainly can put in the same amount of energy pedaling an E-Bike as with a normal bicycle while pedaling, I agree. But the total energy used for a ride would never even be close, using an E-Bike compared to doing the same ride on a regular bicycle...
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Exactly, you certainly can put in the same amount of energy pedaling an E-Bike as with a normal bicycle while pedaling, I agree. But the total energy used for a ride would never even be close, using an E-Bike compared to doing the same ride on a regular bicycle...
The misconception that many people have is that a person on an ebike is not exercising, or cannot get a workout. And, for Kickstart and for me, we might be getting more exercise per minute (given we are not using the little bit of flat that we have, to give our knees a break). But, as we have discussed, it is hard to ever come the time difference.
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The misconception that many people have is that a person on an ebike is not exercising, or cannot get a workout. And, for Kickstart and for me, we might be getting more exercise per minute (given we are not using the little bit of flat that we have, to give our knees a break). But, as we have discussed, it is hard to ever come the time difference.
Yes, and you could also say that one could actually get more exercise riding an E-Bike than riding a normal bicycle... "If" you end up riding the E-Bike more than you would/could ride a normal bicycle...
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Yes, and you could also say that one could actually get more exercise riding an E-Bike than riding a normal bicycle... "If" you end up riding the E-Bike more than you would/could ride a normal bicycle...
Maybe, or maybe not if one chooses to throttle around not pedaling at all, but there's another reality equally true, as I also have experienced it.

“My average power input was actually higher on the eBike because it cut my commute time down so much I wasn’t destroying my body with over training.” Alter felt the shorter commute times on the eBike resulted in higher output, more intense workouts.

“Moving to the eBike added almost 7 mph to my ride. My body worked the exact same but for a shorter duration.” The gains showed up in other places, as well. “The five day commute felt more sustainable and freed up more time with family. Still, the 10.5 hrs of intensity each week is plenty to keep me in really solid fitness shape.”


On my commute I can ride harder 75% of the time because I'm not killing myself 25% of the time on 15% to 20% hills. I get to choose ho hard I ride rather than conditions and terrain determining it for me, therefore it has been an overall net gain.
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The misconception that many people have is that a person on an ebike is not exercising, or cannot get a workout. And, for Kickstart and for me, we might be getting more exercise per minute (given we are not using the little bit of flat that we have, to give our knees a break). But, as we have discussed, it is hard to ever come the time difference.
I can adjust the amount of effort that it takes to propel my pedal assist bike. If I ride in assist level 4 going down hill I'm not going to get much of a workout. If I ride in regen mode 4 going uphill, I could probably push my car the 7 miles to work just as easily. Then again, my main purpose for commuting by ebike is not exercise and it's not to race the other commuters. I'm just trying to get to work in a comfortable, enjoyable, and refreshing way.
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Add me to the list of getting a workout on an e-bike. I just did my AM commute for the first time on my new e-bike setup, and it was my fastest commute EVER (my fastest ride overall, ever, actually) at 16 MPH average. But I was still working hard because I was only using PAS 1 or 2 most of the time (out of 5 settings). On downhills I was using 1 or even 0 to conserve battery, and then I kicked it up to 3 on uphills. I can easily do 20 MPH uphill in PAS 3 so I'm not even sure if I'll need 4 or 5 unless I REALLY want to fly to work.

But by using this e-bike, I'm hoping that I'll be able to ride my regular road bike 2 days a week like I've been doing, and supplement other days with the e-bike. I can't do my 31 miles commute on human power 2 days in a row. I just can't handle it. But I might be able to with e-bike help. And my car use may well reduce to almost nothing.
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Add me to the list of getting a workout on an e-bike. I just did my AM commute for the first time on my new e-bike setup, and it was my fastest commute EVER (my fastest ride overall, ever, actually) at 16 MPH average. But I was still working hard because I was only using PAS 1 or 2 most of the time (out of 5 settings). On downhills I was using 1 or even 0 to conserve battery, and then I kicked it up to 3 on uphills. I can easily do 20 MPH uphill in PAS 3 so I'm not even sure if I'll need 4 or 5 unless I REALLY want to fly to work.

But by using this e-bike, I'm hoping that I'll be able to ride my regular road bike 2 days a week like I've been doing, and supplement other days with the e-bike. I can't do my 31 miles commute on human power 2 days in a row. I just can't handle it. But I might be able to with e-bike help. And my car use may well reduce to almost nothing.
Sounds like we ride in a similar way, I use PAS 1 to 3 depending on conditions, and never use 4 or 5.
The only time I need those higher assist levels are momentarily when getting started at an intersection on a 20% hill, and short humps at crossroads on a couple of 15% to 18% hills, so I simply blip the throttle rather than increasing the PAS setting.

Really interested in hearing if you can do your RT commute without recharging at work.
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Sounds like we ride in a similar way, I use PAS 1 to 3 depending on conditions, and never use 4 or 5.
The only time I need those higher assist levels are momentarily when getting started at an intersection on a 20% hill, and short humps at crossroads on a couple of 15% to 18% hills, so I simply blip the throttle rather than increasing the PAS setting.

Really interested in hearing if you can do your RT commute without recharging at work.
You mean after I start charging to 80%? Yeah we'll see. I'll probably do several shorter rides near my house on the weekend to see if I can go 31 miles on a charge, before I ride the whole way to work.

I really don't want to bring the charger to work because of its loud fan (bike sits near my desk).
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You mean after I start charging to 80%? Yeah we'll see. I'll probably do several shorter rides near my house on the weekend to see if I can go 31 miles on a charge, before I ride the whole way to work.

I really don't want to bring the charger to work because of its loud fan (bike sits near my desk).
I guess I should have been more specific, my bad. My question is if you will be able to do your RT at the pace, and charge level you desire. 31 miles, and more is certainly possible depending on how one rides.
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I guess I should have been more specific, my bad. My question is if you will be able to do your RT at the pace, and charge level you desire. 31 miles, and more is certainly possible depending on how one rides.
33.5 miles when I got home this afternoon, averaged 18.5 MPH going home today, and still 51.5 volts left!
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33.5 miles when I got home this afternoon, averaged 18.5 MPH going home today, and still 51.5 volts left!
Right on!

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33.5 miles when I got home this afternoon, averaged 18.5 MPH going home today, and still 51.5 volts left!
That sounds like great results. Do you have many hills? How big? What are the battery specs?
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That sounds like great results. Do you have many hills? How big? What are the battery specs?
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I wonder if there's a way to wire up the saddle. You know, so the rider gets a little zap when they dial up the watts. That would be funny I think.
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I wonder if there's a way to wire up the saddle. You know, so the rider gets a little zap when they dial up the watts. That would be funny I think.
Careful. Someone may get butt hurt over this.
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I've thought a few times about mounting a ebike kit to one of my old ten speeds. I'd stop and ask about it.
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How come "grab a fire extinguisher" is not an option in the poll?

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