Trespassers during morning commute
Road construction has recreated congestion that some morning commuters have taken up to trespassing through my employer’s parking lot instead of making the right turn at the traffic light.
When I arrive at work, I recognize who these trespassers are because 1) they don’t have the level of patience as a motorist who has already arrived at work has 2) they’re still in a hurry and zoom past me and run all the stop signs in our parking lot. I’ve already notified security about this but let’s face it, there’s very little they can do except if they are willing to have a person stand in the parking lot all morning from 7:30 am stopping cars where trespassers exit. My point here isn’t about the trespassing. We do it all the time. The point is the safety. When you’re on somebody else’s property that you know you shouldn’t be, have consideration of the people who belong there and look after their safety. ..Asking a motorist to be considerate? :rolleyes: |
I agree with you. I 'trespass' onto a large company's property which has a wide roadway cuts through a busy section of the city with a 6-lane heavily congested road. And yes, I am quite mindful of being respectful to the laws there. Ultimately it is still trespassing, and illegal, and if I'm ever cited for it, then I shouldn't be surprised nor begrudge it.
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Certainly a lot would depend on the property. Is it marked "Private Property"? "Employees Only"?
I've turned around in business parking lots, or perhaps briefly stopped for one reason or another. Generally retail parking. On my bike, there are a couple of parking lots that I'll cut through.
As you mentioned, road construction places unique demands on traffic flow. And, apparently some people see your business roads (with stop signs) as an extension of the road system. I can't think of many large private campuses around here, but I might consider cutting through a shopping mall lot if I thought traffic moved better that way (except shopping center lots often move slowly). |
Originally Posted by Daniel4
(Post 19508456)
My point here isn’t about the trespassing. We do it all the time. The point is the safety. When you’re on somebody else’s property that you know you shouldn’t be, have consideration of the people who belong there and look after their safety. ..Asking a motorist to be considerate? :rolleyes: Your security team CAN notify them they are trespassing and tell them to leave and not come back. Once they do that, they can call the cops and have them beaten and tossed off the plane, er I mean property. |
our little town had a similar situation w a new CVS parking lot in my town. ppl cut thru the lot instead of driving down the street to the light to get to the other side of town. some young (& sadly some not so young) go screaming into the CVS lot w no regard for safety. there are children walking w moms & old ppl walking to get their scripts. one time, one of them almost hit me & I yelled at them to slow down, they just flipped me off & kept going, looking at me instead of where they were going
you might call your local cops & let them know there is a threat to public safety even if it's private property. they can easily park a marked car at that spot for a day or two. certainly better than the possible alternative |
Pretty sure it's illegal to use private property as a throughway.
It's absolutely illegal to use private property to avoid a traffic control device like a light or stop sign. |
well, the cop would have to witness the entire path of said vehicles. meaning, if he just stakes out in the parking lot he can't stop someone & make accusations
our cops sometimes stalk speeders on the street that our condo complex is on. they sit on our private property. we certainly don't mind cuz they are protecting us who are trying to enter traffic in a blind spot |
Originally Posted by Daniel4
(Post 19508456)
..Asking a motorist to be considerate? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
(Post 19509021)
Pretty sure it's illegal to use private property as a throughway.
It's absolutely illegal to use private property to avoid a traffic control device like a light or stop sign. |
Hey, I'm walking here!
Dustin Hoffman says this was an ad-libbed line since it was an open set of sorts filming on NYC streets |
Originally Posted by Daniel4
(Post 19508456)
..Asking a motorist to be considerate? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict
(Post 19509469)
As long as driver follow ettiquet of safe driving in parking lot, I don't see what is a problem, except nit picking. You choose to open a business on a busy intersection...you are going to get a lot of traffic.
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
(Post 19509021)
Pretty sure it's illegal to use private property as a throughway.
It's absolutely illegal to use private property to avoid a traffic control device like a light or stop sign. This. Circumventing a traffic control device is a crime just about everywhere. If, by doing so, these drivers are also endangering the safety of workers and/or anyone else utilizing the parking lot, it may be time to involve your local law enforcement agency. If this area happens to fall within a recognized "construction zone", these careless drivers may be in violation of other traffic laws as well. |
Oh, I see. OP was talking about motorists trespassing...makes sense. Never mind. Carry on.
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I often have to 'run' left-turn stop lights. simply because 'they' don't 'see' me.
Joe |
Hmm If the parking lot has several entrances just block one off so it is not accessible as a through road. Problem with security is they cannot just detain someone for trespassing, they have to tell them to leave the property.
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Originally Posted by stasher1
(Post 19509926)
This.
Circumventing a traffic control device is a crime just about everywhere. If, by doing so, these drivers are also endangering the safety of workers and/or anyone else utilizing the parking lot, it may be time to involve your local law enforcement agency. If this area happens to fall within a recognized "construction zone", these careless drivers may be in violation of other traffic laws as well. |
Originally Posted by RubeRad
(Post 19509502)
Per OP, the drivers are not driving safely or with etiquette in the parking lot. That's the problem.
Whining about those mean ole motorists is just more grist for the BF mill. |
Originally Posted by wphamilton
(Post 19510596)
Technically we shouldn't do it on a bike either, but no one cares.
Usually I just stay on the road. |
Sometimes I cut through a grocery store on my bike or car. Basically what happens is this.
I need to make a left turn at the light coming up. There is ALWAYS a ton of traffic coming from the other way and there is no green arrow. If I'm heading to that traffic light, but see it is red, I'll make a left into the grocery store lot about 200 meters before the light. Cut through the lot, then make a right onto a street that meets up with the street I need to be on. Or, if I see there are a bunch of cars coming and I won't be able to turn left if I go all of the way to the light, I'll quickly turn left into the lot instead. Am I bypassing a traffic control device? Yes. Is there a good reason? Yes. Sometimes you'll sit in the left turn lane at that light for the entire cycle and not able to turn. That said, I always go super slow in the parking lot. |
Local cops around here have been known to sit in the CVS lot at an extremely busy intersection and bust people for cutting through to avoid the traffic light.
As far as "trespassing" goes, if the parking lot and/or drive is open to the public, with no gates or other access control, then it's not really trespassing. Doing something like tailgating a car through an entry gate when you shouldn't be there is absolutely trespassing. |
Temporary speed bumps:
https://www.trafficsafetystore.com/speed-bumps-humps Explain the problem and ask the construction company to install them, if they won't, call in the city. |
Originally Posted by Daniel4
(Post 19508456)
I’ve already notified security about this but let’s face it, there’s very little they can do except if they are willing to have a person stand in the parking lot all morning from 7:30 am stopping cars where trespassers exit.
He would then go out and watch for people cutting through the lot, so he could cut them off where the crossing lane intersected the main entry. Never did get anybody to hit him, but he did have some of them jump out screaming until he unfolded all 6'6" of himself out of the truck and pointed at the stop sign they had been in the process of running. If I was on duty, I usually took that opportunity to ask for their employee ID, and if they didn't have one, let them know that they'd be facing a trespassing charge next time they entered the property. I usually didn't bother to do the followup paperwork to file notice of criminal trespass unless they kept making trouble, though. |
Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
(Post 19520689)
As far as "trespassing" goes, if the parking lot and/or drive is open to the public, with no gates or other access control, then it's not really trespassing.
As for "we do it all the time," the only place I did it on any sort of regular basis on the old commute was a lot with a fast food place and a couple of other stores; if the light was red, I'd swing in and grab a burrito or hit the Dollar Tree for a $1 24oz sport top Gatorade. On the current commute, I'll swing into the edge of a car wash lot to avoid the spot where the shoulder runs out at the intersection I turn right at, and then picks up again about 30 yards past it. Both roads have moderate to heavy 40+ mph traffic, so I don't care for taking a lane for ~50 yards at a pinch point just to duck right back out to a 8-10' wide smooth shoulder if I can avoid it. |
My wife's office (a block away from my office, so I go by there quite a bit) has a parking lot across the street from a church - she's at one end on 1 street, the church is across the street from the other end, if that makes sense. You will never see a ruder, more dangerous group of drivers than those who illegally cut through her parking lot to avoid a stop sign while dropping their kids off at the church school. I've had them almost run me over both on foot and on my bike, and then yell at me (well, the women do. With me at 6' and well over 200 pounds, the guys usually avoid eye contact).
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