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Old 07-06-17, 01:44 PM   #26
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This is a great thread for July. Somebody grab me a hot chocolate
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Old 07-06-17, 02:04 PM   #27
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I didn't find that my cantilever brakes were an issue during a pretty bad freezing rainstorm last winter despite the copious amount of ice build up on just about every part of the bike.

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do you think there would be any merit to have full coverage cables and housings in a situation like this?

i was thinking about the winter commute i'm going to be trying to take on going forward. i've been looking at tires and and what things might occur during winter commute. luckily the bike i have has full housings that go all the way to their component, i.e. the rear derailer and brake and i'm pretty sure the front derailer up until the bend under the bottom bracket.

hey Mcours2006, do you think if maybe you had a mud flap at the end of your fender that extended pretty close to the ground that would potentially would have avoided this nasty accumulation of slush and ice?

i'm just looking for real world experiences here...

also, i know it has been said that brake rotors also suffer from being wet and having rain freeze onto them however, my assumption would be that the disc brake pads might be harder than the rubber brake pads and also potentially even have a perpendicular face to the rotor that would better clear away the ice and in that sense generally have a more effective way of clearing the ice or moisture from the brake surface, right? (sorry, i'm long winded).
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Full cable housings work well for me. Never had a any disc rotor issues freezing up, rim brakes just suck here in MA. Sand, salt, brown car snot, not good. At all. YRMV.
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Ha. It's winter in the southern hemisphere.
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do you think there would be any merit to have full coverage cables and housings in a situation like this?
Yeah, I think full cable housing would work to prevent ice build up. The RD in the pic looks pretty bad, but surprisingly it still shifted. Don't know if it would have shifted full through all the gears as I only used two or three gears that day.

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hey Mcours2006, do you think if maybe you had a mud flap at the end of your fender that extended pretty close to the ground that would potentially would have avoided this nasty accumulation of slush and ice?
You mean like this:
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I DIY'ed the mudflaps the day after that ride. For sure it would help prevent a lot of that ice build up on the BB. Wouldn't have help on the rest of the bike.
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Yeah, I think full cable housing would work to prevent ice build up. The RD in the pic looks pretty bad, but surprisingly it still shifted. Don't know if it would have shifted full through all the gears as I only used two or three gears that day.

You mean like this:
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I DIY'ed the mudflaps the day after that ride. For sure it would help prevent a lot of that ice build up on the BB. Wouldn't have help on the rest of the bike.
hey thanks man, i appreciate the help.
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I was thinking the same thing, I drove today due to the heat.
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I was thinking the same thing, I drove today due to the heat.
I had to drive today and it would have been a nice day for working A/C.
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I didn't find that my cantilever brakes were an issue during a pretty bad freezing rainstorm last winter despite the copious amount of ice build up on just about every part of the bike.

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You my friend, are dedicated!

On days like that, I put a shot of Jack in my coffee, call work and tell them "There's no way in hell I'll be there today!"
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You my friend, are dedicated!

On days like that, I put a shot of Jack in my coffee, call work and tell them "There's no way in hell I'll be there today!"
Ha. The rain started while I was at work, but I would have skipped it if it had been like that in the morning.
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Ha. It's winter in the southern hemisphere.
technically true! How many people down there need tire studs? Antarctica excluded
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I didn't find that my cantilever brakes were an issue during a pretty bad freezing rainstorm last winter despite the copious amount of ice build up on just about every part of the bike.

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I had one of those back in February. My only issue was the gears stopped working. Cables froze in the holders under the bottom bracket.
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I didn't find that my cantilever brakes were an issue during a pretty bad freezing rainstorm last winter despite the copious amount of ice build up on just about every part of the bike.
Wow, that is nasty stuff there!

What was the temperature?
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Wow, that is nasty stuff there!

What was the temperature?
Temperature wasn't too extreme, maybe -5C. The road was well salted by that point and everyone was going slow at that point.
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For what it's worth, I've winter commuted in pretty harsh conditions over a couple of years' time in the past. I also get snow and ice where I live now and where I've commuted for years.

I've always been successful with just knobby tires on a mountain bike. I've never had better than v-brakes.

I don't doubt that studded tires would provide some extra margin of safety on the iciest days, but I can say that I've gotten by for years without them. A friend of mine has studded tires, but with the road plowing and sanding he says there aren't that many days in the year when he thinks they really make a difference.

When I was living in very cold, snowyville, U.S.A., with winters about as snowy and cold as they get in the lower 48, there was a guy who would ride his road bike out in the winter time. No studs, no knobs, just himself against the road. Even there, the roads were well enough maintained that the guy could get out almost all days he wanted in the winter.

Anyway, I find stopping distances are certainly increased on snowy or icy days. No question. Disk brakes might improve this performance. I go slower, though, anyway. I believe it's possible to ride in reasonable safety with rim brakes.

I'd highly recommend some kind of fenders, too.

There are plenty of good tips in the ice-bike forum, too. Good luck.
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I don't doubt that studded tires would provide some extra margin of safety on the iciest days, but I can say that I've gotten by for years without them. A friend of mine has studded tires, but with the road plowing and sanding he says there aren't that many days in the year when he thinks they really make a difference.
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I agree that most days during winter I'd be fine with riding slicks too. However, on those few days when it't not okay I'm very glad I have studded tires.

Also, there are some days when you don't know if it's okay to ride without studs. I'm glad I have studs on those days too.

Lastly, there are some days when it looks like it's okay to ride without studs but in reality it's not, and you really don't know that until you're lying flat on the ground. On those days I'm glad I have studs.

On all of these days it would have just like any other day when I get to work and get home without incident.
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For what it's worth, I've winter commuted in pretty harsh conditions over a couple of years' time in the past. I also get snow and ice where I live now and where I've commuted for years.

I've always been successful with just knobby tires on a mountain bike. I've never had better than v-brakes.

I don't doubt that studded tires would provide some extra margin of safety on the iciest days, but I can say that I've gotten by for years without them. A friend of mine has studded tires, but with the road plowing and sanding he says there aren't that many days in the year when he thinks they really make a difference.
I don't find them necessary every day so I have a bike that has studs on it for the days when I need them. I don't really like riding on them as they are horribly heavy. But, after years of resisting studded tires, I do find them to be much better than regular knobbed mountain bike tires for specific rides.

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Anyway, I find stopping distances are certainly increased on snowy or icy days. No question. Disk brakes might improve this performance. I go slower, though, anyway. I believe it's possible to ride in reasonable safety with rim brakes.
The question you have to ask is "do you find that your car stops better on ice with disc brakes?". I've said this many times...and have the burn scars to prove it...rim brakes are disc brakes, they just have really big rotors.

Adding hub mounted discs to a bicycle doesn't improve the traction of the tire patch. Nor does the "power" of the brake result in shorter stopping distances. The same principles that make driving difficult in rain and snow apply to bicycles. No, we can't hydroplane but that doesn't mean that we can't slide on slick surfaces. If anything, we are at something of a disadvantage because the friction between a bicycle tire and the road is less than a car can generate.

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I'd highly recommend some kind of fenders, too.
Maybe yes. Maybe no. Look at mcours2006's pictures in post 19. Close fitting fenders like his can cause their own problems. His first picture demonstrates this perfectly. You can see a lot of ice and snow build up under the fender. At some point that can stop the wheel or, at least, slow the bike down significantly. I recommend a more open fender that takes a lot more ice and snow to make contact with the wheel.
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