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Old 08-19-05, 03:19 PM   #1
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A cyclist as bad as a cager

It's funny that some cyclists are as stupid and arrogant and 'pos'ish as some bad cagers.

Yesterday I was riding my bike on the 'right' side of the road, I see a well dressed road cycle coming towards me on the 'wrong' side of the road. Basically he's coming towards me on my bike lane real fast. I thought, well, he's on the wrong side, I guess he'll move out of way, and say sorry or something or at least slow down. He's also coming towards me downhill, so pretty fast.

Hmm, he's not moving out. Why isn't he stopping? Why isn't he stopping? Why isn't he... Oh s**t! I go off road hardly managing to stay up, while he just zooms by giving me a dirty look and keep going down the road.

Sheez, I thought it was just the cagers! Apparently not. Thanks. Had to vent.
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Old 08-19-05, 03:34 PM   #2
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amen. I've been dealing with the same situation almost every morning for the last 2 weeks. This young looking guy (probably high school) has shown up on the wrong side of the road, this is at 530am mind you, wearing nothing remotly reflective or visible. Three of the five or six days I've passed him I barely noticed in time to dodge out of the way (further into the street) without impact. I've debated saying something but it just doesn't seem worth it
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Old 08-19-05, 03:55 PM   #3
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I hold my own close to the curb and let them go out into the street. They don't want to hit you either. Point towards the street to motion them to go around you. Yell "other side" if you have to. If its a young kid, tell him what's up.
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If it is an on-going problem on your route, I'd inform the police that at about that time there is a cyclist breaking the law and endangering road safety. Let law enforcement handle it.
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Lower your helmet and assume ramming position. Works every time...
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...I see a well dressed road cycle coming towards me on the 'wrong' side of the road.
I see this stuff all the time.
Cyclists on the wrong side of the road.
Cyclists turning left on a red light.
Cyclists zig-zagging back and forth across the road.
Cyclists going from the road to the sidewalk to make a left turn, then back onto the road.
The list could go on but I don't like thinking about these idiots.
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I get this sometimes too. I wonder what the hell these people are thinking.
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Telling them they're in the wrong typically does nothing.

Case in point, I was out on a 10 mile run the other day, running on the sidewalk, when I was approached by a guy in kit with a nice looking orbea going against traffic, on the sidewalk. Needless to say he was booking as I watched him clear air a few times (I think he was out of control a bit myself) and as he came within 15 feet of me I yelled out "Your going the wrong way!"

The end result - I ended up in traffic! on foot to avoid being steamrolled by him. He actually had the brass tacks to come back and yell at me about blocking the flow of traffic...


Next time, I show him what happens if I throw my camelbak into his front tire.

Clearly, there are some in all cases that feel they've the right-of-way regardless of the law or situation, ignore them or let darwin deal with them I say.
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There's a stretch of my commute along a four-lane U.S. undivided highway with center turning lane. The speed limit on the highway is 60 mph. Going to work, I could make a left turn onto the highway at the light, take the center turning lane, and then take an unprotected left 0.2 mile down the road. Or I can ride on the shoulder on the wrong side of the road.

Initially, I plan to ride the shoulder. There are rarely any cyclists (especially on weekdays) and never any pedestrians but if I should ever encounter anyone, I'll be off my bike and over the railing in order to let him pass. Perhaps I'll eventually gain the nerve to take the highway but I've asked experienced cyclists and they have all said either ride or walk on that side. Fortunately, traffic will be light on that side of the road at the time of day I'll be traveling. Coming home, I'll be legit.
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Don't say anything. To do so might weaken the gene pool

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Telling them they're in the wrong typically does nothing.
Next time, I show him what happens if I throw my camelbak into his front tire.
Yeah he's all that....Send him a "rocket" ...oops!
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Old 08-19-05, 10:04 PM   #13
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It's funny that some cyclists are as stupid and arrogant and 'pos'ish as some bad cagers.
Why do you find this surprising or "funny"? Since when did getting on a bike automatically make one into a saint? I don't know what's more ridiculous -- the thought that everyone on a bicycle is somehow a virtue or righteousness, or the expectation that they'll act in such a manner.

The only real way to deal with it is to be prepared for when it happens and react accordingly. Personally, I move toward the traffic side slightly and just let them get squeezed against the gutter. It also affords me space to move further out should I require it, which I wouldn't have on the other side.
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I say it's funny since once you ride your bike on the road, you become to realize the risks and many other things that threatens your safety that you've never had recognized as a cage driver. Certainly there'll be those who are low, and I never expected to view all cyclists as saints. However, I do expect to find them in a lot lower proportion in the cycling population than the normal population out there.

Anyway, gotta be a little careful from now on.
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Why do you find this surprising or "funny"? Since when did getting on a bike automatically make one into a saint? I don't know what's more ridiculous -- the thought that everyone on a bicycle is somehow a virtue or righteousness, or the expectation that they'll act in such a manner.
I believe the OP's (and some other bicycling saints) repeated use of the term "cager" as a pejorative provides a clue to where else arrogant thought might be found.
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I believe the OP's (and some other bicycling saints) repeated use of the term "cager" as a pejorative provides a clue to where else arrogant thought might be found.
I believe I-Like-To-Bike and others use of the term 'saints' as a pejorative provides a clue as to nothing more than their desire to stir up ****, imho.


Nothing more frustrating than folks who would like others to believe they do nothing but straddle a fence on some very shaky terms, as is the point of the OP to begin with: Its bad when you deal with cyclists who are unfamiliar enough with the rules/laws to get others injured/killed - its worse when they're *******s about the whole thing and adamantly refuse to listen simply because they've taken on the mentality of a 'cager' - i.e. someone who drives in the safety of their vehicle and has forgotten what it is like to live and travel outside the safety of the large metal vehicle which incases them in more metal for their safety but also resembles a cage...

Really I-Like-To-Bike, could you please give a better description, less fitting than cager to this mentality? I believe in biology its taught as the 'caged' mentality, or the mental stasis of animals kepts, bred or raised in some form of capitivity with no regard for their own safety, dangers or the safety and danger of dealing with others outside their bubble.

So please, step away from the $50 words in some ploy to create diversity over a term that is strongly used by a majority here on these boards as far as I've been able to see.
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I say it's funny since once you ride your bike on the road, you become to realize the risks and many other things that threatens your safety that you've never had recognized as a cage driver.
Do they? Some of the hair-brained cyclists I've seen would dispute that point, or perhaps they're aware of the risks, but just clueless on how to deal with them. In anycase, we still need to be aware that it's just as possible to encounter stupid cyclists as stupid drivers, and each present their own risks.

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However, I do expect to find them in a lot lower proportion in the cycling population than the normal population out there.
Again, why? What is it about riding a bicycle that automatically makes one intelligent or skilled? Granted, they've probably made a smarter transport choice, but that alone does not make one a competent road user.
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I believe the OP's (and some other bicycling saints) repeated use of the term "cager" as a pejorative provides a clue to where else arrogant thought might be found.
Yes that's what I thought too.
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So please, step away from the $50 words in some ploy to create diversity over a term that is strongly used by a majority here on these boards as far as I've been able to see.
Create diversity? Heaven forbid that cyclists shouldn't line up in formation behind the ranting dogmatists and know-it-all proselytizers of bicycling correctness.

The term I would use is "naive or ignorant (and counter productive) ideologues" for the relative handful of bicyclists who use the term "cagers" to describe ALL motorists with whom they have a beef (and for some of these ideologues - that means most, if not ALL people/motorists, who do not share their vision of a bicycling utopia.)

(Edit) Add the modifiers "arrogant" and and "self-righteous" to the description of the FEW bicyclists who repeatedly and strongly use the term "cagers" as a pejorative.

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Again, why? What is it about riding a bicycle that automatically makes one intelligent or skilled? Granted, they've probably made a smarter transport choice, but that alone does not make one a competent road user.
Or to put it another way, half the people you meet are below average.... ;-)
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Agreeing the OP. Many people bully their way through traffic no matter what they drive/ride! Risky business for cyclicst since "old habits" don't affort the protection a ton of steel.
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Hmm, wonder what happened here... chuckle
I must have said something wrong...

What others call 'arrogance' in my case is actually the state of mentality I intentionally try to keep whenever I ride my bike. When I ride in a traffic, I really try to think that for some reason all motor vehicles around me are not able to recognize me (be it their stupidity or their part of arrogance, whatever they are). Whenever I have a slightest doubt of another vehicles next movement, I just slow down and watch out for the worst to happen. And I can tell you this 'arrogance' towards cagers has saved my life more than once.
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I see this stuff all the time.
Cyclists on the wrong side of the road.
Cyclists turning left on a red light.
Cyclists zig-zagging back and forth across the road.
Cyclists going from the road to the sidewalk to make a left turn, then back onto the road.
The list could go on but I don't like thinking about these idiots.
While cycling in Victoria and Sydney BC this summer, I did not see a single incident [described above]
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Reach out and hook his handlebars as he goes by... That will slow him down. On a couple of occasions I have used the line "son, chicken is a game YOU WILL lose" loudly as they approach. They move over pretty darn fast.
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Reach out and hook his handlebars as he goes by... That will slow him down. On a couple of occasions I have used the line "son, chicken is a game YOU WILL lose" loudly as they approach. They move over pretty darn fast.
Better yet put a frame pump through his front wheel.
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