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    who is this dude and how did he get so smart?

    originally posted in advo.&safety by HiYoSilver. couldn't help posting it here since it answers so many questions people ask here all the time.

    Stumbled across this article today. One of the clearest descriptions of the cyclist with an interesting breakout between different types of cyclists.

    http://www.humantransport.org/bicyc.../cyclinguse.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbertfixy
    originally posted in advo.&safety by HiYoSilver. couldn't help posting it here since it answers so many questions people ask here all the time.

    Stumbled across this article today. One of the clearest descriptions of the cyclist with an interesting breakout between different types of cyclists.

    http://www.humantransport.org/bicyc.../cyclinguse.htm

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    I found the link in the thread you were talking about. Here it is: http://www.humantransport.org/bicycl...cyclinguse.htm
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    I have to agree. This is one of the most intelligent articles about bicycle use I have seen. One of the reasons I feel so comfortable on my commute is that nearly all of my commute has wide lanes or 4 lanes. The 4 lane sections have light enough traffic that vehicles can easily change lanes to pass me. The only part where the author might be a little off is the convience of bike vs. bus though his charts seem to agree with my observations. For me I can keep up and ususally pass buses on thier routes. This means my travel speed is very similar to a bus. But if I were to travel using a bus I would have to walk to the stop, wait for the bus, probably transfer to a different bus, and then walk to my destination. From my home to work (inner ring suburb to inner ring suburb through the city) my worst case travel time is 45 min (it been as great as 1 hour with two flats but with proper gear an care that is an exception). Using buses my best case is over an hour and a half, more likely is 2 hours. Driving is 25-30 min. So cycling takes me an extra 1/2 hour a day over an auto but taking a bus would be more than twice as much time as cycling. Now I admit if I worked downtown then a light rail ride would be longer than driving by only the time it take to wait for the train and cycling would be nearly twice as long but that just shows that cycling is more flexible than transit.
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    I found that the author tends to exclude the clean-up time from the "travel" time. If I were to use the bus vs bike, the amt of time I need to clean-up after arriving is definately something that I need to include in my planning. I think that would tend to make the bus more competitive for many people. Overall I agree with what the author is saying, and only noticed the one oversight...intentional or not as it may be.

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    Great read. Thanks for the link.

    I was kinda taken aback at this line though. He must have interviewed single guys and/or construction workers who get off the job at 2-3pm.

    Very long cycle-commute times, e.g. over one hour each way, can discourage this group from bicycle commuting because driving a car for an hour round-trip and later cycling for an hour is just as fast and provides sufficient fitness for all but the most dedicated or competitive cyclists.
    I beg to differ. I work untill 5:30 - 6:00pm most nights. Even in the summer, i wouldnt be on the road untill almost an hour after i left the office. Meaning, i would be spending less time with my wife and eating later than i do. Commutting gives me back some of that lost time.
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    Bike bus/subway/train bike mixed mode travel might be a good solution for many commuters, as it could eliminate either long walks at the ends or intermediate waits for bus changes. However the Montreal subway and commuter train systems dont allow bikes during rush hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogBoy
    I found that the author tends to exclude the clean-up time from the "travel" time. If I were to use the bus vs bike, the amt of time I need to clean-up after arriving is definately something that I need to include in my planning.
    i clock in before i clean up, so clean up time is not a factor for me either. i figure it's my employers way of paying me back a little for riding my bike (plus no one's ever questioned it so....).
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    Great article. Thanks for posting it. The stress on safe use of the street network by bicyclists for routine transportation absolutely meshes with my experience. Like most of us on this list I fit in the cyclist-by-choice category. But I live in an urban neighborhood in which many of my neighbors cycle because they have no car. Much of that cycling is done unsafely. I'll take an aggressive education and enforcement campaign any day over separate facilities. This hasn't always been my opinion. But a year of commuting has changed my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogBoy
    I found that the author tends to exclude the clean-up time from the "travel" time. If I were to use the bus vs bike, the amt of time I need to clean-up after arriving is definately something that I need to include in my planning. I think that would tend to make the bus more competitive for many people. Overall I agree with what the author is saying, and only noticed the one oversight...intentional or not as it may be.
    If I'm commuting by bus, I shower in the morning before walking to the bus stop. If I'm commuting by bike, I don't shower before leaving the house, and instead shower when I arrive at work. Therefore, in this case, the clean-up time doesn't factor into the total travel time, as it is just shifted from the beginning to the end of the trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCI_Brian
    If I'm commuting by bus, I shower in the morning before walking to the bus stop. If I'm commuting by bike, I don't shower before leaving the house, and instead shower when I arrive at work. Therefore, in this case, the clean-up time doesn't factor into the total travel time, as it is just shifted from the beginning to the end of the trip.
    Good point, except if you shower on arriving back home, then it is still one home shower PLUS one cleanup at work.
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    Don't forget to factor in time cyclists "save" by not needing to go to a gym.

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    Very long cycle-commute times, e.g. over one hour each way, can discourage this group from bicycle commuting because driving a car for an hour round-trip and later cycling for an hour is just as fast and provides sufficient fitness for all but the most dedicated or competitive cyclists.
    Here's an example to illustrate his point. I live 20 miles from work. Driving time is 30 minutes each way, cycling time is 1 hour 15 minutes each way (very hilly). Total cycling round trip time is 2 hours 30 minutes. But if I drove and then went on the club ride after work, it would be 1 hour of driving time plus 1 hour (or so) of cycling time, for a total of 2 hours. Although this cycling time is less than what I would have obtained by commuting, it's still enough to stay in shape.

    (However, I do like the extra miles, although I don't have the time to do the full round trip every day. So what I do is drive Monday AM, leave car at work and ride home Monday PM, ride to work Tuesday AM, drive home Tuesday PM.)

    But on the other hand, for most people in urban/suburban areas, the difference between the driving time and the cycling time isn't as much as in my example. My 20 mile drive takes only 30 minutes because it's a reverse commute. But another 20 mile drive in my area could easily take 45 minutes. Also, the riding time would drop closer to 1 hour since the route would be flat.

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    When did time optimization become so utterly important? In my opinion, such a focus on time and productivity is one of the worst things ever to come out of civilization. The stress and worry wrecks our minds, bodies, and joy. For truly, what is there to life than to be aware, to exercise one's senses, and be in the moment?

    Some people, probably not as many here would consider a 3 hour total bicycle commute to be wasted time. Yet by whose definition? The person who comes home from work via car and then opens a beer in front of the television is not considered to have wasted his time. Indeed, motorized transportation has convinced us that commuting is a means
    to an end rather than a means in of itself.

    Slow travel really shows one their place in the world, and I think can make one more content with place. One does not feel so compelled to rush about with slow travel. A very health thing this is. You can't have it all with slow transport, and so you learn to accept your conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyr
    When did time optimization become so utterly important? In my opinion, such a focus on time and productivity is one of the worst things ever to come out of civilization. The stress and worry wrecks our minds, bodies, and joy. For truly, what is there to life than to be aware, to exercise one's senses, and be in the moment?...
    Time is finite, a large portion of which is normally spent away from ones family (working/commuting). If one can combine a commute and get excersize and/or save $ by cycle commuting, and end up with a time "surplus"-it seems very worthwhile to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyr
    When did time optimization become so utterly important? In my opinion, such a focus on time and productivity is one of the worst things ever to come out of civilization. The stress and worry wrecks our minds, bodies, and joy. For truly, what is there to life than to be aware, to exercise one's senses, and be in the moment?

    Slow travel really shows one their place in the world, and I think can make one more content with place. One does not feel so compelled to rush about with slow travel. A very health thing this is. You can't have it all with slow transport, and so you learn to accept your conditions.
    Very well said. I agree completely. The cult of efficiency at the expense of contentment, joy in ones surroundings, and almost everything else (including human scale settlement patterns and local economies)is the source of a great many of the modern world's problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickwilliams
    Very well said. I agree completely. The cult of efficiency at the expense of contentment, joy in ones surroundings, and almost everything else (including human scale settlement patterns and local economies)is the source of a great many of the modern world's problems.
    This whole need to hurry things along is because of overnight delivery and the fax machine. Until things "had to be there overnight," one was able to take pride and joy in their workday accomplishments.

    Blame the French for the working fax machine: "In 1862, the Italian physicist Giovanni Caselli built a machine he called a pantelegraph (implying a hybrid of pantograph and telegraph), which was based on Bainís invention but also included a synchronizing apparatus. His pantelegraph was used by the French Post & Telegraph agency between Paris and Marseilles from 1856 to 1870."

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    An excellent read. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

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