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    Carfree since '82. Grrr! JonR's Avatar
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    Well, I'm finally making some progress after some false starts. It's been about three years off the bicycles, with major stomach surgery in August '99 not helping things any--that took a year to completely heal. But now I'm getting out and about--not commuting to work, for I retired in December '99, but commuting is what it still feels like, 'cause I use my bikes for shopping, all my riding is in town, and it's the same kind of riding as when I rode to work and back every day.

    I was able to go 12.5 miles the other day with no strain. Today I rode to the City Market (farmers' market) and back home in heavy traffic (cars lined up for several blocks, rush hour) and felt almost as confident as when I was used to it. So I'm happy about that.

    At the City Market, I met a young woman who cycles, "in season," 300 to 500 miles a week! She invited me to a weekly ride that leaves from the cycle shop I always go to, and covers roads pretty much in my neighborhood. Something to look forward to!

    Maybe life begins at 61. I don't even remember 40.

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    JonR,

    You are just starting your cycling paradise!

    :cool:

    We need more of your sharp tongue to slay the "bike facility dragon."

    I do know, however, that there are some unusual examples of "bike facilities" (shared, of course) that are wonderful to ride on. I read of some in Colorado, and it sounded like a limited access highway for cycling.

    But from where I live, that's "Twilight Zone" stuff...expensive, too! And quite impossible in a true urban setting. Anyone for "bicycle subways?"

    Haaaaa!

    Hey, listen! I read about a guy who only started cycling at about 65, and cycled until about 90. Others who were still at it at 90, even doing 50 miles (albeit a little slower). Wow! "Ponce de Leon!" (good to have you on these forums.)
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    Carfree since '82. Grrr! JonR's Avatar
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    Thanks! I've already benefited from your encouragement, and I can use all I can get. With the help of the great cyclists on this forum, and a couple of ibuprofen now and then, I'll be back in "commuting" shape in a short while.

    By the way, I told the young woman I met at City Market, about this forum and gave her the URL, so I hope she will contribute, too.

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    JonR,

    Sound great. Probably 20-30% of my club is retired. They enjoy riding during the day and cycling vacations and yes some of them are in better shape then me and are older then my parents. My point, age does not mean much. Take your time and have fun and if you want increase your milage, go for it.

    Bob

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    Good to hear you're back on the Bike Jon!!!

    I hope I'm still cycling at 60!!! (not that it's old mind...erm...d'oh!!!)

    Rich
    Making New Zealand a safer place :)

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    The hardest part is getting out the door.

    I didn't really want to go out today (of course last night that was all I could think about)--but I reflected that I'd better make some effort to live up to all the support you guys are providing, so I rode to Westport again, had my iced coffee, wrote in my journal, nobody giggled at my fairly flabby body clad in Lycra--and rode back home, total 12.5 miles again, and I DIDN'T HAVE TO WALK THE BIKE UP THAT STEEP HILL THIS TIME, I rode it! And I feel great, no strain at all.

    My resting pulse is dropping already. I can hardly believe how quickly I'm getting back into SOME kind of shape--I thought it would take months.

    Thanks, everybody!

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    Hey this is great to hear JonR! Way to go! You remind me of a guy we met once on the trail. He had seen us ride for some time bought a bike and followed us to the trail one day. We were sitting at the top of the big climb and here he comes. We all thought WOW look at this guy! He gathered up his breath and we asked him how old he was. He replies "65." We were stunned for the climb we just did was nowhere near easy and at the time we were around an average age of 26. We met him many times more and rode with him, we thought as I still do that it was the coolest thing. At the time MTB in our area was scoffed at by the roadies, and he thought it was great.

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    That's a good story, Hunter. I see some older guys cycling around here sometimes. I need to introduce myself to the next one I see--if I can catch up with him.

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    Huff, puff...the saga continues...

    Cut my ride short today because it was about 90 degrees in the sun, there was a steady wind from the south (which, naturally, was where I was headed), and I just got wiped out. Came home and went to bed after 8.5 miles. Oh, well. Next time.

    I have a real problem with hot weather--which for me is anything over 60 degrees Fahrenheit. Always have had....

    I'll have to make sure I carry two water bottles on my bike till it cools off again in October, and just take it easy as I build back. No point in killing myself, for I don't think I'd ride very well afterward.

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    Originally posted by JonR
    I have a real problem with hot weather--which for me is anything over 60 degrees Fahrenheit. Always have had....

    I'll have to make sure I carry two water bottles on my bike till it cools off again
    JonR, I know what you mean, man. Heat's a killer. But here's where human ingenuity kicks in. And here's where super-lightweight strategy totally fails for normal transportational cyclists. Well...

    Weight and speed are two prime obsessions of racers that we don't need to care about, dude. So I flunk whichever ones I want so I can actually get the most out of my ride each time, my friend. Speed solution is obvious in the heat, just slow down; but the weight thing goes this way (for me): since I use a backpack strapped to a rear rack (call me chic), though it weighs a bit, I can store ICE COLD liquids...see! Man, one "headache cold" drink (use lotsa ice) will put fire back into your bones, like "anti-heat insulation!" Plus, wet yourself down beforehand, so you don't sweat out as much fluids...

    Oh, well, a little uncontrolled rant...

    NOTE: UPDATE...DUE TO THE SENSITIVITY OF SOME INDIVIDUALS TO ICE COLD DRINKS, PLEASE CONSULT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL BEFORE DRINKING THEM AS DESCRIBED IN THIS POST. SOME PEOPLE FACE A SERIOUS RISK FROM DOING SO, ESPECIALLY ASTHMATICS AND PEOPLE WITH ATRIAL FIBRILLATION (AF). REPEAT, THESE PEOPLE ARE SERIOUSLY AT RISK.
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    JonR reminds me of an important point that I try to live up to. If you don't feel like riding, don't ride. If it's because of the weather, or the way you're feeling, or other plans, don't ride. Every ride should be enjoyable, or you'll burn out on the bummer rides.

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    I still feel uneasy about missing a day largely because of scare stories I've read about how quickly you lose fitness, etc. But I think it's better to risk losing a little fitness than to strain something beyond repair! I think Oscar's right: if you don't feel like riding, just don't.

    Pete, I've carried a backpack on my rack many a time, and yes, it's chic indeed! Good idea about the ice, too.

    I took a forty-mile ride a few years ago on a blistering hot summer day, and ran out of water. I was starting to get confused, obviously dehydrated--went to a fire station and the firefighters of course gave me water, wanted to give me ice, too, but I was too proud (or confused, or both) to take more than water....

    Another time I ran out of water, I just filled my empty bottle from a decorative fountain along one of the boulevards! Not the best idea, but better than risking stroke or something.

    Cyclists and walkers learn something pretty quick that motorists are at most vaguely aware of: how hard it is to find water or a restroom in urban America.

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    Jon, never drink cold water or ice when hot and dehydrated! Just a few years ago a lady cyclist lost her water bottle on the slick rock trail in Moab UT, she was totally dehydrated and couldn't bike, or walk to the trail head. After a few hours in the 100+ degree heat some guys in a jeep found her on the trail, they offered her water but she refused, and just wanted her water bottle back. Long story short, the jeep guys told her that she needed to drink water, she gave in and drank some ice cold water that the guys had in there jeep. within minutes she went into shock and almost died! If she would have drank her warm water, she would have been just fine, so be careful

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    Originally posted by JonR
    Cyclists and walkers learn something pretty quick that motorists are at most vaguely aware of: how hard it is to find water or a restroom in urban America.
    Amen.

    One of the side benefits of the formerly booming economy was that long cycling rides through the wealthy foothills around Silicon Valley would present the cyclist with a wealth of portapotties at all the construction sites for the dot-commer millionaire mansions. Now that the market is having its adjustment it's probably going to be back to surreptitious scrambles into the bushes.

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    Originally posted by Joe Gardner
    Jon, never drink cold water or ice when hot and dehydrated! Just a few years ago a lady cyclist lost her water bottle on the slick rock trail in Moab UT, she was totally dehydrated and couldn't bike, or walk to the trail head. After a few hours in the 100+ degree heat some guys in a jeep found her on the trail, they offered her water but she refused, and just wanted her water bottle back. Long story short, the jeep guys told her that she needed to drink water, she gave in and drank some ice cold water that the guys had in there jeep. within minutes she went into shock and almost died! If she would have drank her warm water, she would have been just fine, so be careful
    That's heat stroke, Joe, a different animal: your brain is cooking like egg whites. Drink before you get thirsty, and ice cold water in the tummy really keeps your temp down, avoiding scenarios like this one.

    All I ever read about heat stroke ("a few hours in the 100+ degree heat") is that you'd better cool the victim down with wet towel, shade, water, etc., or they will die. But you may be right about forcing ice cold water down a heat stroke victims throat!


    See:

    www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/ics/hea_medb.htm

    Joe, after reading this link, I have to disagree completely with your post. This woman needed immediate first aid and medical attention. Her warm water bottle would have done very little for her at this point. I'd have to side with the guys in the jeep, they probably saved her life.

    NOTE: UPDATE...DUE TO THE SENSITIVITY OF SOME INDIVIDUALS TO ICE COLD DRINKS, PLEASE CONSULT A
    MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL BEFORE DRINKING THEM AS DESCRIBED IN THIS POST. SOME PEOPLE FACE A SERIOUS RISK FROM DOING SO, ESPECIALLY ASTHMATICS AND PEOPLE WITH ATRIAL FIBRILLATION (AF). REPEAT, THESE PEOPLE ARE SERIOUSLY AT RISK.
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    You know, Joe and Pete, I'm thinking I read somewhere long ago that drinking ice water might not be wise when you're exerting--maybe that's what kept me from accepting the firefighters' ice.

    Anyway, I pushed it today--rode to Westport via Hospital Hill--JRamsey will know what I'm talking about--and was careful to drink plenty going and coming, and also poured some on me at the top of that awful hill! I'd forgotten, though: there's another one almost as bad right after it....

    I wish I had an inclinometer to find out what angle some of these hills are. I know it's easy to make one but I never have bothered.

    Or an altimeter so I could calculate the percent of grade...

    Too much heat. My spreadsheet mentality is taking over.

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    I have briefly looked into the question of cold drinks during and after exercise. There seems to be evidence on both sides of the question, "Do cold drinks harm you during or after exercise?" Since this is an important medical question, one should always consult a physician in addition to researching.

    On the "Yes" side of the question:

    http://archfami.ama-assn.org/issues/...l/fbf9010.html

    This webpage relates to cases of atrial fibrillation (extremely rapid heart rate) seemingly induced by ingesting cold food.

    Also:

    www.aanma.org/aaadesc.htm

    This webpage relates to cold beverages triggering asthmatic attacks.

    On the "No" side:

    www.halcyon.com/gasman/fluids.htm
    www.multisportsa.com/injuries/nutritio.htm

    If you are concerned, consult your physician.

    Thanks for the provoking posts.
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    Pete, very interesting links, i wish i had more information on this lady cyclist who went into shock. I do agree that this lady needed medical attention, if i remember correctly, she would have not gone into stroke if she drank warm water rather then the ice cold water that the jeep guys had with them.

    I read a really great artical on this subject, if i can find the link , i'll post it.

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