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Old 12-02-06, 11:50 AM   #1
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NYC cyclist killed on West side bike path !!

Yet another senseless tragedy.

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index...id=1&aid=64753

http://www.gothamist.com/archives/20..._driver_ki.php


Makes me sick.
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Old 12-02-06, 11:58 AM   #2
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That is ****ed up. At least they're throwing the book at the guy. Unlike the little 19-year old b1tch.
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Dunno about throwing the book at him. He hasn't been charged yet. The story says he's "facing" charges (manslaughter, DWI and reckless driving). It's sad that someone who was teaching kids was killed. We need all the teachers we can get.
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I meant at least he's facing those charges, that other chick faced nothing more than a slap on the wrist. And I got a feeling NYC is a lot tougher. He'll get at least a week or so in jail.
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I meant at least he's facing those charges, that other chick faced nothing more than a slap on the wrist. And I got a feeling NYC is a lot tougher. He'll get at least a week or so in jail.
She didn't get charged with anything?
Damn.
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She didn't get charged with anything?
Damn.
"Wrongful lane change." It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
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"Wrongful lane change."
Oh hell that's a disgrace.
But back to the current story, I mourn the death of the cyclist that was hit, and hope his family and friends all the best.
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I meant at least he's facing those charges, that other chick faced nothing more than a slap on the wrist. And I got a feeling NYC is a lot tougher. He'll get at least a week or so in jail.

The ONLY reason this guy will get a stiffer sentence is because he was drunk. Drunk, without a license, or fleeing from police is the only way.

A sober person with a license can kill prettymuch anyone they want with their car.
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That is ****ed up. At least they're throwing the book at the guy. Unlike the little 19-year old b1tch.
My thoughts exactly.
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This is the 2nd person killed on that bike path this year. The first guy, a doctor, was killed by an NYPD tow truck driver and didn't get charged with anything. Hopefully this time around, the DA will put this guy away for a long time.
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*thinks good thoughts for the family*
in the gothamist article it seems there are several issues with that WEst Side path/highway
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I meant at least he's facing those charges, that other chick faced nothing more than a slap on the wrist. And I got a feeling NYC is a lot tougher. He'll get at least a week or so in jail.
He ought to get jail time just for driving on the bikeway. DIdn't we just up the penalty for deaths that result from drunk driving?
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A mile on the bike path before the killing...madness.
How is it different from the roadway?
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I'd like to point out though, this has nothing to do with cyclists being a victim as a whole. He was a cyclist but he could very well have been a jogger, construction worker, the mayor and his entire protective crew going out for a jog, etc.
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no no I wasn't going there slvoid, I mean how is the path separated / marked differently from the roadway?
Trying to thing how damned blind drunk you'd have to be to head down the path.

WE had a drunk hop the sidewalk after leaving a fight with his GF and killed a jogger. 100km in a 50 on his way home. Husband and four kids under 10....

IMHO if you get behind the wheel drunk and get caught there should be a serious damned charge. We have a serial drunk driver as well in the courts, suspended licence and still he gets loaded and behind the wheel. Shameful..... and the perps are young too, they've been listening the warning since they were babies. If I'm driving I might have a glass of wine with dinner, but that's it. Just boogles my mind.
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I saw this in the paper this morning. It's terrible. I mean, how drunk did this a**wipe have to be to be unable to tell the difference between the bike path and West Street, for God's sake?

slvoid is right -- it could have been anyone, cyclist, skater, pedestrian or worker. I don't see this as the City's fault. The City did, after all, create a separate bike path along the west side. But the government can't protect us against every drunken fool who's so inebriated he can't tell up from down.
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A mile on the bike path before the killing...madness.
How is it different from the roadway?
It's a two lane road that's physically separated from the highway with a raised median containing trees, bushes, and lights. There are actually "bobs" or some kind of flexible barrier that prevents cars from entering at some intersections. There are bicycle icon traffic lights and the pavement is marked with very large reflective cycling icons similar to this
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....build it idiot proof and along comes a bigger idiot. *Shakes head sadly*
Damn that's a sweeeet path....even I'd use it. My wife wants us all to visit NYC (she LOVES it there), I'd kinda like to ride an afternoon while the girlies shop their faces off.
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no no I wasn't going there slvoid, I mean how is the path separated / marked differently from the roadway?
Trying to thing how damned blind drunk you'd have to be to head down the path.
In this case, the path is really clearly separated from the roadway. There's a physical barrier between West Street (a major north-south traffic artery in Manhattan) and the bike path. What happened, as far as I can tell, was that the driver was leaving a facility on one side of the path, and would have had to cross the path to get to West Street. Instead of crossing the path and turning south on West Street, he simply turned south on the bike path and drove for quite some distance until he struck the cyclist.

At most of the intersections along the bike path, there are lights and fairly clear markings. The West Side Greenway is pretty well laid out, and it's really hard to mistake the bike path for the roadway. The driver must have been pretty hammered.


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IMHO if you get behind the wheel drunk and get caught there should be a serious damned charge. We have a serial drunk driver as well in the courts, suspended licence and still he gets loaded and behind the wheel. Shameful..... and the perps are young too, they've been listening the warning since they were babies. If I'm driving I might have a glass of wine with dinner, but that's it. Just boogles my mind.
I believe that there are serious charges available to the District Attorney in cases like this. Vehicular manslaughter comes to mind. If there's a conviction (or a plea), serious jail time is a real possibility (as it should be, of course). I'm guessing the driver hasn't been charged yet because (a) there has to be an investigation and (b) this happened late on Friday night, so the courts were closed and nothing could be done until Monday anyway.
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Having been that hammered to the point of not remembering how I got home, I still remember the difficulty in operating my complicated key and lock on the front door (amazing how those keyholes wiggle). I'd not even be able to get in let start and drive away.
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Having been that hammered to the point of not remembering how I got home, I still remember the difficulty in operating my complicated key and lock on the front door (amazing how those keyholes wiggle). I'd not even be able to get in let start and drive away.
Oh, sure, we've all been there. But even when I've been a bit smashed, there's a part of my brain that says sober enough to say, "hey, maybe you'd better not get behind the wheel tonight, OK?"

I guess he wasn't so drunk that he couldn't get the key in the ignition. But it seems obvious that his judgment was impaired to the point where he couldn't distinguish between the roadway and the bike path (for a mile!).
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Think of the Westside Greenway as the Martin Goodman trail in Toronto only straighter and longer. The only thing keeping cars from accidentally driving onto the bikepath is that at Chelsea Piers, there's no yellow metal pole in the middle of the trail that would physically stop a car from getting on.
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What happened, as far as I can tell, was that the driver was leaving a facility on one side of the path, and would have had to cross the path to get to West Street. Instead of crossing the path and turning south on West Street, he simply turned south on the bike path and drove for quite some distance until he struck the cyclist.

At most of the intersections along the bike path, there are lights and fairly clear markings. The West Side Greenway is pretty well laid out, and it's really hard to mistake the bike path for the roadway. The driver must have been pretty hammered.

Or if the West Side Highway was backed up, which is fairly common on a Friday night, the driver may have been using the bikeway as a short-cut.
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Or if the West Side Highway was backed up, which is fairly common on a Friday night, the driver may have been using the bikeway as a short-cut.
I've never seen that happen and I hope even the idiot fringe of cagers in the city don't think that's a viable option. The only motor vehicles on the greenway that I've ever seen are parks department or NYPD.
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