Helmets cause more danger
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Helmets cause more danger
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2893122&page=1
Click on the "Video>Click to Watch" on the left, and choose the John Stossel clip.
The clip shows that helmets put you at a greater risk on the road. Drivers have a tendency to tailgate bikers with helmets.
Click on the "Video>Click to Watch" on the left, and choose the John Stossel clip.
The clip shows that helmets put you at a greater risk on the road. Drivers have a tendency to tailgate bikers with helmets.
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The conclusions implied by the video didn't prove to me that you are safer without a helmet. Of course, helmets cannot guarantee anything, I feel that I am better off wearing a helmet. Of course I would resist any legislation mandating their use.
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The conclusion made in the video is that when drivers see a helmet, they treat the cyclist as someone who knows what they're doing. You therefore see closer passes and less exaggerated swerves into the opposite lane.
I'm personally fine by this. I actually PREFER cars to pass closer. Am I crazy? Probably but my rationale though is that as long as the car isn't hitting me or causing me to change course its fine and the further they stay out of the opposite lane the safer it is for other drivers on the road.
I'm personally fine by this. I actually PREFER cars to pass closer. Am I crazy? Probably but my rationale though is that as long as the car isn't hitting me or causing me to change course its fine and the further they stay out of the opposite lane the safer it is for other drivers on the road.
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I wonder if John Stossel would of preferred having or not having a helmet before being hit by that pro wrestler, when he asked him if wrestling was fake..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35wyVQxXUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35wyVQxXUA
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I ride on a lot of narrow back streets in Boston. The cars come just as close either way because there's no room for them otherwise.
I don't think the author has ever visited a head injury facility, or any discussion of not wearing a helmet would be moot. As the bikies [motorcyclists] say, "$5 head, $5 helmet."
I don't think the author has ever visited a head injury facility, or any discussion of not wearing a helmet would be moot. As the bikies [motorcyclists] say, "$5 head, $5 helmet."
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The theory and tests presented in this video illlustrate, in a limited way, how cagers react to persons with and without helmets. It's conclusions have no bearing on whether it's safer to use a bicycle helmet or not. The test measured the activity of the drivers. No where did I see any test that actually involved the helmet. So, why are they trying to say this has anything to do with bicycle helmets?
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I don't wear helmets much, but that 'study', which has been discussed countless times here in BF, is so full of holes it makes swiss cheese look like a wall of titanium. I think the best conclusion that can be drawn from it is that if you look 'different' and unpredictable, drivers probably give you a wider berth.
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A good study that really gives clear results can produce data that is clear to make a conclusion. In other words, the data is so convincing just provide that data and the conclusions are self evident. In this report the opposite happens. No real data and they spoon feed the conclusion to us.
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Originally Posted by georgiaboy
No real data and they spoon feed the conclusion to us.
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In regards to not wearing a helmet, a friend of mine always says:
no brain, no pain !!!!!!
no brain, no pain !!!!!!
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The post peaked my interest. Then I saw John Stossel's name. What a jackass. I don't even consider his opinions. I have found that he forms and opinion first then searches for things that will reinforce them. Weather they are fact or anothers opinion.
I don't wear a helmet very often either.
I don't wear a helmet very often either.
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Originally Posted by georgiaboy
A good study that really gives clear results can produce data that is clear to make a conclusion. In other words, the data is so convincing just provide that data and the conclusions are self evident. In this report the opposite happens. No real data and they spoon feed the conclusion to us.
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Originally Posted by capejohn
The post peaked my interest. Then I saw John Stossel's name. What a jackass. I don't even consider his opinions. I have found that he forms and opinion first then searches for things that will reinforce them. Weather they are fact or anothers opinion.
I don't wear a helmet very often either.
I don't wear a helmet very often either.
I rode without a helmet for about 25 years, and just started wearing one a few years ago most of the time. I have not noticed drivers treat me any different with or without a helmet. Most are all right, but it only takes one idiot driver during any ride to make your ride hell. I have noticed cyclist treat me different when I wear a helmet though.
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Originally Posted by fordfasterr
In regards to not wearing a helmet, a friend of mine always says:
no brain, no pain !!!!!!
no brain, no pain !!!!!!
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Most cyclists don't wear helmets to protect themselves from cars. Most of us wear helmets to protect us from the ground. I've biffed 6 or 7 helmets and all of them were due to impacts following a fall. In a collision with a car, the helmet won't usually do much in the primary impact (our heads are usually higher than the car) but it will help in the secondary impact when the cyclist hits the ground.
On a secondary note: If Stossel rides to work as much as he says, why doesn't he raise his saddle! If I rode anywhere with my saddle that low, my knees would kill me He'd also get a whole lot more respect from motorists if he'd ride predictably.
On a secondary note: If Stossel rides to work as much as he says, why doesn't he raise his saddle! If I rode anywhere with my saddle that low, my knees would kill me He'd also get a whole lot more respect from motorists if he'd ride predictably.
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I agree with cyccommute. A car-whuppin' will trump any helmet.
I used to play alot of football. There's a reason why we wore helmets. Same with hockey, lacrosse, snowboarding, downhill ski-racing, etc, etc... They work most of the time against most of the human powered accidents. I'll take the edge and wear one.
I used to play alot of football. There's a reason why we wore helmets. Same with hockey, lacrosse, snowboarding, downhill ski-racing, etc, etc... They work most of the time against most of the human powered accidents. I'll take the edge and wear one.
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Originally Posted by TreeUnit
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2893122&page=1
Click on the "Video>Click to Watch" on the left, and choose the John Stossel clip.
The clip shows that helmets put you at a greater risk on the road. Drivers have a tendency to tailgate bikers with helmets.
Click on the "Video>Click to Watch" on the left, and choose the John Stossel clip.
The clip shows that helmets put you at a greater risk on the road. Drivers have a tendency to tailgate bikers with helmets.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
I've biffed 6 or 7 helmets and all of them were due to impacts following a fall.
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I didn't know Stossell was a cycle commuter.
Is the popular sentiment about being "scared stiff" unintentionally hamstringing Americans? Just like in the exodus to the roads in place of flying post 9/11, more americans died due to their fears.
Are Americans unjustly fearful of cycling?
What about the idea that the exercise from riding the bike is what "safe" is?
Is the popular sentiment about being "scared stiff" unintentionally hamstringing Americans? Just like in the exodus to the roads in place of flying post 9/11, more americans died due to their fears.
Are Americans unjustly fearful of cycling?
What about the idea that the exercise from riding the bike is what "safe" is?
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I also noticed there was a bike lane on Manhattan island that was clear of motor traffic, and a lot of other bicyclists. when they showed john stossel without a bike lane, i saw no other cyclists.
More Bek BS. When Stossel was in the bike lane there was one other cyclist. When Stossel was on the road without a bike lane there was one other cyclist, although that cyclist was farther behind Stossel. Also notice the bike lane was not clear, as there was a cop car farther back blocking the bike lane.
The only time the clip showed more than 2 cyclist, was a shot of a Central Park road that had been closed to motor traffic for the purpose of weekend recreational cycling.
Last edited by CB HI; 02-24-07 at 01:38 PM.
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Anyone actually watch the 2 hour show last night?
Anyone read the books whos authors commented? The Culture of Fear, Freakonomics?
Anyone read the books whos authors commented? The Culture of Fear, Freakonomics?
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
6 or 7 times? Was that as an adult while riding on the street, or did all these head banging falls occur during competition and vigorous mountain biking? If the former, I suggest a change in your cycling venue, or technique, or both.
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