Searching for THE one frame
03-09-07, 06:14 PM
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Searching for THE one frame
Just placed an order for a Sturney-Archer XRK8 8 speed disc internally geared hub (very psyched about this btw)
Need to make my frame selection now and having great difficulty
I need a frame that has these qualities:
Problem I'm running into is that I can find a horizontal dropout frame with disc tab but then it doesn't have rack/fender eyelets and conversely I can find a horizontal dropout frame with rack/fender eyelets but then it doesn't have a disc tab!!
Can anyone find a way out of this personal hell I've created?
Need to make my frame selection now and having great difficulty
I need a frame that has these qualities:
- Horizontal dropouts (or other chain tensioning method)
- IS disc tab
- Rack/fender eyelets
- < $250
Problem I'm running into is that I can find a horizontal dropout frame with disc tab but then it doesn't have rack/fender eyelets and conversely I can find a horizontal dropout frame with rack/fender eyelets but then it doesn't have a disc tab!!
Can anyone find a way out of this personal hell I've created?
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03-09-07, 06:27 PM
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isn't there some sort of issue with horizontal dropouts with a ss or internal hub and disc brakes? You could always just run a disc in front and something else in the back. I'm not sure how it would "feel" with two different types though. Sounds like something that would bug the crap out of me though.
03-09-07, 06:35 PM
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I'm thinking the same thing about horizontal dropouts and disc brakes...but I'm not a wrench. I'm also thinking a Karate Monkey frame will fit his needs. https://www.surlybikes.com/karatemonkey.html
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03-09-07, 06:39 PM
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the Surly 1X1 has disc tabs AND Track drops...
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An eccentric bottom bracket will fix the problem of a single speed with discs. They're apparently are frames on the market now that allow you to shift the disc brakes with your wheel on horizontal dropouts, but I've only heard about them. I haven't seen them with my own eyes.
03-09-07, 06:45 PM
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I suppose I should ask about eccentric bottom brackets. I know the principle but would having one mean that everytime I needed to retension the chain I have to take out the bottom bracket and reposition it? I don't really understand how the BB is adjusted as a tensioner.
edit: Looking into it further it appears you can't just get an eccentric into any old frame, it needs to be there to begin with. Which presents further problems in finding a frame, especially one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
edit: Looking into it further it appears you can't just get an eccentric into any old frame, it needs to be there to begin with. Which presents further problems in finding a frame, especially one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
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03-09-07, 09:01 PM
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I hope you find a way out your personal hell dwoloz. I like my internal hub and I'm coming around to the idea of having a disc brake. But I plan to just do it just to the front.
Is there anyway you can put a hold on the order? Maybe they will let you if you change to a discless 8 speed hub. And just put the disc brake up front, more important on the front. Then you'll have more options on frame choice.
Is there anyway you can put a hold on the order? Maybe they will let you if you change to a discless 8 speed hub. And just put the disc brake up front, more important on the front. Then you'll have more options on frame choice.
03-09-07, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by eibeinaka
03-09-07, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dwoloz
- Horizontal dropouts (or other chain tensioning method)
- IS disc tab
- Rack/fender eyelets
- < $250
03-10-07, 12:53 AM
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Hey, why not use one of those Surly Singleater things? You could get a verticle drop out frame and that arm would take up the chain slack. Sorry I didn't think of that earlier.
03-10-07, 11:37 AM
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A jockey wheel tension device would definitely work BUT I intended to use this chaincase which wouldn't work with any type of external tensioner
I'm making things very difficult for myself, I realize this
I'm making things very difficult for myself, I realize this
03-10-07, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dwoloz
I'm making things very difficult for myself, I realize this
If worse comes to worse, you could just not hook up the rear disc brake. I understand, you have a vision of the perfect bike in your mind and your're jazzed to get it done. It's not like any current manufactured model so you can't show what it looks like till it's done. I was there last year with my Surly. After I got all the parts together, I had still had to make some more modifications. That's a nice chain guard by the way.
03-10-07, 01:22 PM
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Are you wanting a road or MTB frame?
Ideally, you would get something with sliding dropouts.
Soulcraft
Moots
They're mostly found on MTB frames, but seem to be getting a little more popular lately. Very few, including the mentioned Karate Monkey, have track ends and an adjustable caliper mount.
Ideally, you would get something with sliding dropouts.
Soulcraft
Moots
They're mostly found on MTB frames, but seem to be getting a little more popular lately. Very few, including the mentioned Karate Monkey, have track ends and an adjustable caliper mount.
03-10-07, 01:30 PM
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Sliding dropouts would be by far the best solution
Frame cost is the problem
Soulcraft is actually right down the street from me but their cheapest frame is in the $1500 range
Frame cost is the problem
Soulcraft is actually right down the street from me but their cheapest frame is in the $1500 range
03-10-07, 01:58 PM
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Alright, where did you get that awesome chain case?
03-10-07, 07:59 PM
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Just keep watching ebay for KM frames.
$284 shipped
$225 shipped (no fork)
Couple more for under $350 shipped.
$284 shipped
$225 shipped (no fork)
Couple more for under $350 shipped.
03-12-07, 05:45 AM
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Sppedgoat.com has KM frames for $295 shipped (last years model) or $345 shipped (2007 model). ery versatile frame.
