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    I like the Jamis Commuter 3.0, any thoughts?

    I've been researching all over the forum for advice on a city commuter/hybrid bike, have tried out numerous bikes at various LBS's. I think I've tentatively decided on the Jamis Commuter 3.0. However I need some experienced advice on this choice:
    http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/bikes/...commuter3.html

    I'm using the bike to commute to work (< 3miles), running errands around town, and weekend recreation. Budget ~$500.

    Initially I've tried the Trek 7300, Trek FX 7.3, and the Gary Fisher Zebrano. Then heard rave reviews about the Jamis brand, and tracked down a LBS that carried it. I thought the Jamis Coda Sport was a nice bike but didn't particularly love it as it was too much near the road/touring bike spectrum for my taste (mind you my city commute is <3 miles). This particular store even carried the well-reviewed Fuji Crosstown's, but I thought it was too heavy/slow for me (much like the Trek 7300).

    Finally I tried the Jamis Commuter 3.0, and much to my surprise I really liked the ride! Not too heavy, no front suspension to weigh me down, and very comfortable overall. I initially thought the "mustache" or "North Road Bend" handlebars would be too weird looking, but they were surprisely very comfortable (I guess if I can install flat handlebars if it really bothered me in the future). I haven't heard much discussion about this bike on the forums and wanted advice from experienced riders and perhaps current/former owners.

    Mind you I'm pretty much a newbie (haven't owned a bike in 17+ years). I've read that internal hub is great for city riding. Is it really worth it (I can get the Commuter 2.0 without the hub for $120 less)? Is having only 8 speeds enough gearing for me? Am I going to hate this bike 2 months from now and wished I'd gotten the Jamis Coda?

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    It seems like a fine bicycle. My previous commuter was a Specialized Globe IG8 which has a very similar internal gear hub and overall design concept. My biggest gripes with it was the flat bars and lack of gearing for steep hills.

    Seems like the Jamis with the mustache bar would give many more hand positions. I'm not sure I'll ever get another flat bar bike again. My hands would go numb after around 5 miles everytime. Didn't matter how many times I adjusted the various adjustments on the bike. With drop bars I have 3 distinct hand positions and it's great. Mustache bars are pretty similar too so that's a definate plus. I'd say your crazy to want to put flat bars on it.

    The hub however is similar which is a good or bad thing depending on your commute. I have 2 short hills with nearly 40 degree grades which have long sloping hills leading up to them. The 8 speed internal gears and my legs have a hard time with those. If you don't have such crazy hills where you commute, the 8 speed hub gears are FANTASTIC! They shift as fast as you push the button(or twist the grip) and there almost no chance for derailment. Everything is sealed so instead of cleaning 7-10 rear cogs, your cleaning 1. If you index your chain and put it on the same way everytime, you'll increase the life of your gears and chain by a significant amount.

    Just make sure there arn't any crazy steep climbs where you'll be riding. In which case your probably going to want a whole different kinda bike anyway...(I have a Cannondale Optimo now, cyclocross bike)

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    If you like it, go for it. If you don't like the bars down the road, I hear great things about trekking bars.

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    I have the nexus inter8 equipped with the new alfine shifter set up on my surly 1x1 and I think it is great. I live in a hilly area and it can definitely be a work out on hills, but I like the workout it gives me.

    I say if you like it, get one!

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    My only concern with it is that it is an aluminum frame with an aluminum fork. Extremely rigid. For a few miles like you say, it will be just fine. But a 20 mile ride I'm not so sure.

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    I like this bike. I am a fan of moustache bars and hub gears. The commuter 3.0 looks like a good value and well thought out commuter. It doesn't include everything like the Breezers but it is easy to and the extras necessary.
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    A similar bike is the Bianchi Milano. It's still an aluminum frame, but has a steel fork, which might be a little more forgiving. It also has 26" tires, which is neither positive nor negative, although they would make more sense if you are on the smaller side. As has been mentioned, the mustache bar of Jamis is a good thing, as it gives you more hand positions. The Bianchi looks like it has a flat bar, although it appears to have a little more sweep, which is good. And the Bianchi comes in their classic Celeste.

    Although either bike would make a great commuter, you might want to find something used and inexpensive, to give it a go, before committing $500. My current commuter is an almost 30 year old Fuji Allegro. I paid $40, cleaned, lubed and adjusted all the bearings, replaced the bottom bracket, tires and tubes, and recabled the brakes and shifters. Admittedly, that is a lot of work, but perhaps a local bike shop might have a "gone over" trade in for short money. Might even ask if they would take it back for credit against a new bike, if purchased within 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Industrial
    It seems like a fine bicycle. My previous commuter was a Specialized Globe IG8 which has a very similar internal gear hub and overall design concept. My biggest gripes with it was the flat bars and lack of gearing for steep hills.

    Seems like the Jamis with the mustache bar would give many more hand positions. I'm not sure I'll ever get another flat bar bike again. My hands would go numb after around 5 miles everytime. Didn't matter how many times I adjusted the various adjustments on the bike. With drop bars I have 3 distinct hand positions and it's great. Mustache bars are pretty similar too so that's a definate plus. I'd say your crazy to want to put flat bars on it.

    Thanks for all the feedback. I currently live/commute around the city of Boston, which is essentially flat. It sounds like that the inter-8 speed hub should be enough then.

    I'm curious by what you guys mean by having more "hand positions" on the mustache bar. I keep looking at the handlebar picture and see only one way to grip the bars.

    One other question: are they major differences in bikes of the same model/make year to year? It seems like this is the first year that Jamis is rolling out the Commuter x.0 models (older Commuter bikes don't have the x.0 designation, and looks like a slightly different bike). Just curious what "improvements" will be seen in the 2008 3.0 models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey Hodie
    I have the nexus inter8 equipped with the new alfine shifter set up on my surly 1x1 and I think it is great. I live in a hilly area and it can definitely be a work out on hills, but I like the workout it gives me.

    I say if you like it, get one!
    Hey, where'd you get the alfine shifter? I've been waiting for a nexus 8 shifter for over a month. I'm converting a Bianchi San Jose to have the nexus 8 hub but no shifter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard
    I'm curious by what you guys mean by having more "hand positions" on the mustache bar. I keep looking at the handlebar picture and see only one way to grip the bars.
    For example, look at this site, which just so happened to be the first thing that popped up on Google. Note, the retro types tend to tape these bars, skipping traditional grips, and move the brakes up into the bend area. You can sit up and hold onto the ends, or more in the center, towards the stem, or lean over into the bends, or any place in between. I suffer from

    On a side note, it looks like the current spec Jamis has the Alfine trigger shifters, which is a really good thing. It will allow you to move both the shifters, and brake levers, to almost any position along the bar, as you heart desires. The standard twist shifter would pretty much be stuck the the bar end, although, if you look at Sheldon Browns site, he has come up with a couple in interesting positions for the twist shifter.

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    One thing you will quickly notice when you start doing more riding is the importance of the ability to vary your hand position. As one of the posts note, flat, MTB-style, bars get to be uncomfortable because your hands must essentially remain in one position. That is why, for road riders that spend significant time on the bike, the drop bars are almost always the best choice because they allow you to shift your hands around to various positions. I work in a shop, and many customers think the drop bars are all about getting an aerodynamic position, but its really as much about the range of hand positions. The moustache bars are a pretty good alternative, because they allow a lot of variation in hand position.

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    I am also interested in the Jamis Commuter 3.0. Anyone know what model of the Nexus 8-speed internal geared hub it uses? I would prefer the Premium "Red Band" or Alfine hub but, since they don't mention it on their site, I suspect they use the heavier and slightly less efficient base hub.

    I am also interested in the Specialized Globe IG8. Anyone know what model Nexus 8-speed hub it uses?

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    -suck free wrote: "Hey, where'd you get the alfine shifter? I've been waiting for a nexus 8 shifter for over a month. I'm converting a Bianchi San Jose to have the nexus 8 hub but no shifter."-

    I bought mine from a seller in the nederlands who posts over on the mtbrforums. It cost me 70 bucks shipped (30 for shifter and 40 for shipping, or 40 for shifter and 30 for shipping...I can't remember exactly) Here is the shops website: http://www.singlespeed.nl/

    You will have problems trying to order it directly through their website because there is not a shipping option for the united states. If you want to order one, you will have to email Jelle (the owner) and send him a payment through paypal to the email he gives you. I ordered it on a wednesday and it arrived in massachusetts at my door the following wednesday.

    PM me for the email.

    It is well worth it. The Alfine shifter shifts smooth and true. From what I hear on the mtbr forums, it performs much better and more accurately than the twist shifter. Shimano approves off road riding with the inter8 hub in combination with the Alfine rapid fire tap shifter (according to users on the other forum).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadBeat
    I am also interested in the Jamis Commuter 3.0. Anyone know what model of the Nexus 8-speed internal geared hub it uses? I would prefer the Premium "Red Band" or Alfine hub but, since they don't mention it on their site, I suspect they use the heavier and slightly less efficient base hub.

    My local jamis dealer informed me that the new commuter 3.0 comes with the "premium" red band nexus inter8 hub. He recently put one together for a customer and he said it was a really neat commuter. Maybe he was mistaken?...I dunno

    A good bet would be to email Jamis with this question through their website.

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    If you look on the hub itself, there is a part number:

    G-8RXX

    XX = 20 = Standred Edition
    XX = 25 = Premium

    Last time I checked, Jamis uses premiums but they don't state the part number on their spec sheet so YMMV.

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    Well, I sent an email to Jamis and asked:

    Question: Which version of the Nexus 8-speed internal gear hub does the
    Commuter 3.0 use? Is it the standard model or is it the Premium "Red Band"
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    Their response: "Standard Model."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Industrial
    If you look on the hub itself, there is a part number:

    G-8RXX

    XX = 20 = Standred Edition
    XX = 25 = Premium

    Last time I checked, Jamis uses premiums but they don't state the part number on their spec sheet so YMMV.
    Being a owner of the Commuter 3.0, I can now confirm that the Commuter 3.0 uses the standard edition. I looked at the hub and the part number is G-8R20. The Shimano logo is red in both editions, so even if you see the red logo it doesn't mean you have the premium red band model.

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    I have a commuter 3 and absolutely love the bike. I put a new brooks saddle on it and some lights and am riding as much as I can... I am going to flip the bars on it to the drop position and am thinking of putting tape on the bars and playing with the position of the brake levers and alfine shifter but other than that will leave it as is. I find it is a fast bike and the brakes work very good as long as you keep the cables adjusted just so. The r hub is pretty smooth too I have to say and with the shifter spec they both work great together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donkey Hodie
    -suck free wrote: "Hey, where'd you get the alfine shifter? I've been waiting for a nexus 8 shifter for over a month. I'm converting a Bianchi San Jose to have the nexus 8 hub but no shifter."-

    I bought mine from a seller in the nederlands who posts over on the mtbrforums. It cost me 70 bucks shipped (30 for shifter and 40 for shipping, or 40 for shifter and 30 for shipping...I can't remember exactly) Here is the shops website: http://www.singlespeed.nl/

    You will have problems trying to order it directly through their website because there is not a shipping option for the united states. If you want to order one, you will have to email Jelle (the owner) and send him a payment through paypal to the email he gives you. I ordered it on a wednesday and it arrived in massachusetts at my door the following wednesday.

    PM me for the email.

    It is well worth it. The Alfine shifter shifts smooth and true. From what I hear on the mtbr forums, it performs much better and more accurately than the twist shifter. Shimano approves off road riding with the inter8 hub in combination with the Alfine rapid fire tap shifter (according to users on the other forum).
    Thanks for the tip. I ended up getting the twist (revo) shifter. But if the alfine becomes readily available, I'm getting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damonabnormal
    I have a commuter 3 and absolutely love the bike. I put a new brooks saddle on it and some lights and am riding as much as I can... I am going to flip the bars on it to the drop position and am thinking of putting tape on the bars and playing with the position of the brake levers and alfine shifter but other than that will leave it as is. I find it is a fast bike and the brakes work very good as long as you keep the cables adjusted just so. The r hub is pretty smooth too I have to say and with the shifter spec they both work great together.
    Hey damonabnormal, if you flip the bars and tape it up, post some pics and let me know how it looks/feels. How come you didn't like the stock saddle? I thought it's pretty comfy myself.

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    I'll post pics when I do the flip. I ditched the OEM saddle as I am not a fan of "comfort saddles" and thought the bike would 'look' much better with a brown Brooks B-17 on there... I bought a new "pre-broken in" saddle and am very happy with it so far.

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    here is my bike : http://www.flickr.com/photos/damonabnormal/827583171/ ended up not taping the bars as there is really only one decent hand position. i am thinking of getting moustache bars for this bike and a different stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damonabnormal
    here is my bike : http://www.flickr.com/photos/damonabnormal/827583171/ ended up not taping the bars as there is really only one decent hand position. i am thinking of getting moustache bars for this bike and a different stem.
    Very nice. Does the flipped bar feel much different? Maybe a more drop bar feel?

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    By adding more aggressive tires, would the Commuter 3 be a good winter bike? It is missing the preferred front disc brake but has most everything else, including fenders.
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    With the bars flipped it deffo has a more road riding position going, you can tell that you have around 2-2.5" drop on the bars and you have to raise your seat a bit to adjust. I like it though, feels good & looks good. As for riding in the winter, I am not sure how changing out the tires would help much. Where I live in the city other than snow days most streets are pretty clear of snow/ice due to brine being put down. (On ice days unless you have spiked tires your outta luck.) I rode my 40 year old English 3spd in the winter with stock tires and had no problems other than on ice itself.

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