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    One last Pannier suggestion before buying

    Okay, My searching is getting somewhere here.

    I am seriously considering the Ortliebs, they have a sweet hook up and are totally waterproof. Though, I live in Denver and would just want them for a tour or two which made me wonder about these Deuters with the Ortlieb attachment: http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/,...k-Pack-I-.html

    They are kind of like what Cycocommute has set up with the QR-1 system hooked on to another pannier. For this price are these a steal? I could pick up a rain cover on Ebay for cheap and then have a semi rain proof setup as well as have some smaller pockets which the Ortlieb doesn't have.

    Please advise
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    When my current pannier's clips break I'll replace with Ortlieb hardware. I borrowed a frontroller for a while, it is a fantastic piece of kit.

    The QR system is great when the bags go on and off the bike every day; cip-unclip 2-3x/day gets old pretty fast. More of an issue commuting than touring, for me anyway.

    Re waterproof or not - the Ortliebs definitely keep things dry, but what about wet gear that you need to carry? Opinions vary, I like Ortliebs but some like many pockets rather than the one. Also, I still reckon you need to keep the critical stuff in a separate waterproof bag (down sleeping bag on tour, computer & phone at home) just in case.

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    Ummm... definitely something with the QR system; Ortlieb if price is not the decider.

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    I suggest calling Wayne at the Touring Store and ask his advice (he is located on Ft. Collins). He sell Ortlieb and Lone Peak (made in Utah). I bought a full set of Lone Peaks and have been very happy with them. No connection, just a happy customer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcowan
    Okay,made me wonder about these Deuters with the Ortlieb attachment: http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/,...k-Pack-I-.html



    Please advise
    These are what I use everyday for commuting. They are great, QR hooks are excellent. They are NOT waterproof but lighter than Ortliebs. It comes down to $$ and waterproofness needs. Charlie

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    Balto Charlie, So what would you think about these versus the Novara Transfer and their system? They will be on sale this weekend at REI.

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    Where can I get just the QR-1 hook system?
    I like my period correct Jandd bags.
    I would love them with an improved attachment method.
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    Just ordered the "Market Panniers" from Banjo Brothers, I'm hoping to start commuting. But I like the ones you ordered; if I don't like these it gives me something else to try. Gotta say, the Detours Toocan looks pretty sweet. (The only reason I dodn't order these is that PB doesn't have them in stock.)
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    Look at these for waterproof/utilitarian/environmentally friendly value.

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    Can't go wrong with the Ortlieb classics. Seemed silly to me to have a "bag" for my "bag"... ie, rain covers. And you will use the waterproofness in those lovely Colorado summer afternoon thunder showers.

    For touring the single pocketness of the ortleibs is just fine. Packing clothes in large ziploc bags with the air squished out really compacts things down and then the pockets are not missed. For my commute I did ultimately add an external pocket (removable) to the Ortlieb because I got a little tired of fishing keys and wallets out of the bottom of the bag.

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    Being completely waterproof has it's merits. Plenty of ride days start out sunny and then suddenly turn. With the Ortliebs, you just don't have to think about it. Mine have served as the communal dry bags more than once.

    Waterproof inside-out too. Once was toting a huge plastic bucket of barbecue sauce to a friend's street stall. Lid popped off when I hit a bump and the sauce filled the bag. Didn't lose a drop and just poured it into the pot when I arrived. Quick hoseout cleaned the Ortlieb perfectly though it did have a tangy aroma for about a week.

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    The Banjo Brothers market panniers showed up today! After one short ride to try them out (around 8 miles), I had no problems. This weekend will tell, of course. (100k + whatever I do on Saturday.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcowan
    Okay, My searching is getting somewhere here.

    I am seriously considering the Ortliebs, they have a sweet hook up and are totally waterproof. Though, I live in Denver and would just want them for a tour or two which made me wonder about these Deuters with the Ortlieb attachment: http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/,...k-Pack-I-.html

    Please advise
    The Ortlieb Classic Back Roller has several advantages:
    The shoulder strap: Such a usefull idea. It is great to have both hands free when stopping at at shop for buying food, or when locking your door on the way out, or when you need to carry your panniers for a distance.

    The roll-top system: It just works and is fast and simple. Furthermore it allows for really fast adjustment for varying pannier volume, like if you put your jacket in it because the sun starts to shine. It also allow you to overload the capacity of the pannier with perhaps 70-80 %, it is no longer waterproof then since the top is open, so it is perhaps not so usefull for touring, but for shopping on your commute home it is a great feature.

    They are waterproof: it is not only convenient not having to stop just because it starts to rain, but it also makes the bags really easy to clean both inside and outside, eg. just put some water and perhaps some soap in the bag and shake it, or dip it in a lake or river and swing-dry it afterwards. You also appreciate its waterproof roll-top system when you need something in the pannier while it is pouring down.

    They also have great resale value, so if you really only need the bags for a tour or two, then you can probably sell them easily for at good price.

    On the negative side they lack an exterior pocket for keeping keys/money/cell phone in, the 2007 editions of the Back Roller Classic has an internal pocket though. They do sell an ad-on pocket, but I find it expensive. For touring I would get a handlebar bag to keep such stuff in.

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    I like the hard plastic (on the side against the rack) - pretty much guarantees you won't get a pannier caught in your spokes. (I saw that happen once, on a rocky trail.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcowan
    Balto Charlie, So what would you think about these versus the Novara Transfer and their system? They will be on sale this weekend at REI.
    I don't know the Novara transfer but did use REIs 'grocery bag' panniers. they blew a hanger in the first week. It was a stnd hook system.

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    Hey folks this might be a stupid question but hey I'm new to this commuting/carfree lifestyle so I figure you'll tolerate it. I'm looking at ordering: http://banjobrothers.com/products/01110.php# Do in need to order 2? (One for each side?) If I do, it seems that I can get ortlieb's for a little more (cost is a definate issue and i can't really wait) I have no car and need pannier's that can carry groceries well.
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwhindy
    Hey folks this might be a stupid question but hey I'm new to this commuting/carfree lifestyle so I figure you'll tolerate it. I'm looking at ordering: http://banjobrothers.com/products/01110.php# Do in need to order 2? (One for each side?) If I do, it seems that I can get ortlieb's for a little more (cost is a definate issue and i can't really wait) I have no car and need pannier's that can carry groceries well.
    thanks
    It does appear that they're selling them singly. If you can at all swing it and you're choice is between the two, get the Ortleibs. They're a tried and true waterproof design.
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