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    Halt! works

    First let me say – I like dogs. We have 2 dogs. I can usually handle them without resorting to Halt! But lately I've had to use it.

    People down the road have 2 black labs that are periodically running loose. At first the labs would just run along side of me. The only problem was that sometimes they would dart ahead, then stop in front of me. This is a problem on dark mornings. They are FAST. I have to do over 26 mph to out run them.

    The young lab start snapping first. One afternoon, after everything else failed I gave him a shot of Halt! It stopped him in his tracks and started snorting and sneezing. I was glad to see that he was not really in pain – just distracted.

    Yesterday morning the young one was keeping away from me and the older one was running behind me in the dark when I heard a snarl and then felt the bike move as she bit down on my pannier and pulled with all her might. I stopped the bike and started yelling like crazy. I grabbed for the halt but could not aim in the dark because the mutt was not in my headlight. The Arkel was fine – glad it was not my leg.

    Next time they are on the road I'm going to stop and verbally chase them away. If they don't go then they are getting a shot of Halt so I can get going without them running after me.

    I bought two more cans of Halt! I am very impressed. It does not seam to hurt the dog, just annoy and distract it. I'm also impressed with the Arkel it really took some abuse.

    Halt! works great for tame animals. I will keep some on my commuter at all times.
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    I'm glad I have not had occasion to buy any yet. There are few chasing dogs on my route.
    One chased me a couple of weeks ago. I stopped and yelled at it, and stepped towards it pointing back the way it had come and said "NO! Go home!" and it wandered back, looking very unsure.

    To be sure there are situations that require more action.

    Have you talked to the dogs owner? The dogs are going to get hurt doing that, not to mention the danger to yourself. I'd talk to them about the danger to the dogs. If that doesn't impress him, let him know that the dogs often stop in front of you, and if you're one day unable to avoid an accident, he will be seeing your medical bills, bike repair bills, and possibly additional damages.

    I'd hope that the owners would be responsible. Hopefully you can keep things friendly.
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    "Cop strength" pepper spray works just as well on dogs. And, unlike the watered down Halt! product, it works on the dog owners and road ragers too.
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    With my temper that may be a bad idea. So.... where does one find cop strength pepper spray?

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    Wasp spray works great. Small stream that shoots 30 ft and at a pinpoint. A couple of dogs in the neighborhood starting chasing me. I tried yelling, stopping, talking to the owner, nothing works. I am not scared of them biting me. I am scared of them getting under my tire. A friend told me about the wasp spray. It stops them in their tracks. The next month or two they didn't get off the porch when I came by. Now they come out to the yard and bark but not on the road. I like dogs and this hasn't caused any permenant damage. So, even if you don't agree with it, IT WORKS!!! and its cheap.
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    What? Dogs running loose on the streets? Is the owners crazy? I have a dog myself and that kind of behavior sickens me. Disregarding the major danger, someone getting seriously injured, I consider it animal cruelty, with the high risk of the dogs getting hurt. Even the spray is definitely bad for the dog, but I don't blame the people spraying, but the owners who put people in the position of having to do it. People have to remember that dogs are carnivores, descendant from the wolfs. You never know when that behavior might pop in any dog. All dogs can be triggered to chase and bite in certain circumstances, even the friendly Golden Retriever, not just the mean looking Pitbull mix. If you don't know exactly how your dog behaves, it should not be loose in any place where there are other people.

    Sorry for the rant, but I just get a little agitated when people mistreat dogs like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DataJunkie View Post
    With my temper that may be a bad idea. So.... where does one find cop strength pepper spray?
    Hardware stores, sporting goods stores, and online. Just make sure you get the "stream" not the "fog" dispenser (to avoid blowback from the wind). Also, I like the kind with a "safety" over the trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    Have you talked to the dogs owner? The dogs are going to get hurt doing that, not to mention the danger to yourself. I'd talk to them about the danger to the dogs. If that doesn't impress him, let him know that the dogs often stop in front of you, and if you're one day unable to avoid an accident, he will be seeing your medical bills, bike repair bills, and possibly additional damages.
    That's an interesting twist to this story. These people actually have 4 dogs - the 2 labs and 2 little 'yippy' dogs. Months ago my wife was walking her horse down the road when one of those little dogs came running up yip, yip, yiping behind the horse. The dog owner was down in the yard but paid no attention. Then the dog came closer and snapped at the horse’s hock (ankle). Naturally, the horse kicked. The dog got kicked in the head, sailed through the air and landed flat and still on the road, blood dripping out of it’s mouth. My wife was really upset. She called down to the owner saying “I think my horse just killed your dog.”
    The woman came running up crying. My wife was almost crying. The dog woke up, staggered to its feet and the owner carried it down to their house. My wife has not ridden her horse in that direction since then but the dogs are still loose on occasion.
    Out here in the sticks, people ‘control’ their dogs by hooking them to a 10 foot chain for life. I’m afraid that if we force the issue these dogs will be imprisoned like all the other dogs around here (except ours).
    I’d rather see the dog get some Halt a couple times then get chained to a box for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b_young View Post
    Wasp spray works great. Small stream that shoots 30 ft and at a pinpoint. A couple of dogs in the neighborhood starting chasing me. I tried yelling, stopping, talking to the owner, nothing works. I am not scared of them biting me. I am scared of them getting under my tire. A friend told me about the wasp spray. It stops them in their tracks. The next month or two they didn't get off the porch when I came by. Now they come out to the yard and bark but not on the road. I like dogs and this hasn't caused any permenant damage. So, even if you don't agree with it, IT WORKS!!! and its cheap.
    Good idea, thanks. I like wal-mart-able solutions. Putting that on the shopping list.

    I also have had dogs (3) under the back tire. I'm afraid one day one will get in the spokes and I'll end up doing a faceplant.

    Had to deal with one today twice. Owner won't put it on a leash. D$&n nuisance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker333 View Post
    Good idea, thanks. I like wal-mart-able solutions. Putting that on the shopping list.

    I also have had dogs (3) under the back tire. I'm afraid one day one will get in the spokes and I'll end up doing a faceplant.

    Had to deal with one today twice. Owner won't put it on a leash. D$&n nuisance.
    No...it's a really stupid poor white trash idea.

    Wasp and hornet spray is a toxic substance designed to kill insects. It may deter a dog, but so would spraying gasoline.

    Get some Halt!, or get some pepper spray. Don't experiment with chemicals that could cause injury or blindness to dogs.

    Besides, a container of pepper spray fits easily into a jersey pocket. A big ole can of wasp and hornet spray doesn't.
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    All I can say is, you have a lot more patience with nuisance dogs and owners than I do. I would have been talking to animal control well before the pannier biting incident.

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    Police and military pepper sprays at Brigade Quartermasters. I'm getting something with the CS nerve agent plus the OC heat, like the freeze or sabre brands.

    I wanted the bear spray too, it sprays 35 feet but is overkill for my area and expensive, think I will pick up some Halt! for bad encounters with animals instead.

    OP, do you keep yours in a bar bag or have it otherwise mounted to the bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by b_young View Post
    Wasp spray works great. Small stream that shoots 30 ft and at a pinpoint. A couple of dogs in the neighborhood starting chasing me.
    Ugghhh . . . I'm sure it works, but c'mon man. That stuff's poison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_young View Post
    Wasp spray works great.
    I think I'd try a can of Sillly String before poisoning the dog ...

    Unfortunately ... I have an agressive dog that charges me on my ride so may have to resort to something ...

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    Please do NOT use wasp spray. It's a pesticide and will permanently harm the dog. I just looked up a few popular wasp sprays online, and they all contain chemicals that are acutely toxic, carcinogenic, and generally all-around horrible things to get anywhere near something you don't want to kill (and it's a horrible way to kill something you DO want to kill).
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    The strongest pepper spray you can find, thats the ticket, some poeple dont react to it so why take a chance on the weak stuff? I understand what all are saying about not being cruel to animals as I am an animal lover, but let me tell you this, if a mean old dog comes at me and I fear for my well being, or my life, Ill spay him in a minute, if that doesnt work that dogs going to get more than pepper pray shot at him, sounds mean and cruel but self preservation will kick in quickly and one will do what they have to do to stay alive and well (and its in all of us)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CsHoSi View Post
    OP, do you keep yours in a bar bag or have it otherwise mounted to the bike?
    I found a great product at my local hardware store. It's Velcro - but it is both parts of the Velcro together. The hooks on one side of the strip and the loops on the other side. So all you have to do is take one strip and wrap it around something and it attaches to itself. I use it to tie down stuff on the bike rack and secure the bike to my carrier.

    I made one wrap of this stuff loosely around my stem and clipped the Halt to that. It's right there within reach any time I need it. I have one on each bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tippy View Post
    I think I'd try a can of Sillly String before poisoning the dog ...

    Unfortunately ... I have an agressive dog that charges me on my ride so may have to resort to something ...
    Halt is a very mild pepper spray and it shoots out like silly string. I think it's great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
    The strongest pepper spray you can find, thats the ticket, some poeple dont react to it so why take a chance on the weak stuff?
    I understand your point and if I were in an area that had thugs, I would use something stronger than Halt. All I have is a couple over enthusiastic dogs.
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    Wasp spray has not blinded or killed any of the dogs on my route. After the first hit, you do not have anymore problems with them. Pepper spray is not exactly gentle on them. The bottle fits in a water bottle cage. I have only had to hit one dog more than once with it and I try not to give it a direct hit. Like I said IT WORKS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse View Post
    Do those sonic devices work at all?
    (the ones that make a high pitched sound)

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    The short answer is "No"...they're bogus.

    Here's a really good link on Dealing With Dogs, by a guy who has tested various methods. He recommends pepper spray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
    if a mean old dog comes at me and I fear for my well being, or my life, Ill spay him in a minute,
    that's some quick work right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CsHoSi View Post
    OP, do you keep yours in a bar bag or have it otherwise mounted to the bike?
    Someone else may have to chime in since I can not remember the name of the bag I am referring to.
    It attaches to the top tube directly behind the stem. The name escapes me.
    That would be a perfect location. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_young View Post
    Wasp spray has not blinded or killed any of the dogs on my route. After the first hit, you do not have anymore problems with them. Pepper spray is not exactly gentle on them. The bottle fits in a water bottle cage. I have only had to hit one dog more than once with it and I try not to give it a direct hit. Like I said IT WORKS!
    Tell you what, spray the Wasp spray into your eyes first, if its doesnt hurt you in anyway, then you can use it on the dog Pepper spray is made from hot pepper oils, might hurt, but it wont harm you in the long run, now Wasp spray? yeah, shoot it in your eyes first =)
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