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    Schwalbe Marathon Plus + Tuffy Liner + Thorn Res Tubes + Nail = Flat :-(

    Yeah I know.. DUH.. Even the Marathon Plus with Mr Tuffy line and a Thorn Resistant Tube wasn't enough.

    Just wanted to post it because it took me 20 minutes to patch the tube because even after 2,000 miles of the tires being on there they are absolutely a huge PITA to put on and take off my A319 Mavic Rims. Of course those 2,000 miles had me going over goat heads and crushing bear bottles with impunity but just one 1/2 barbed nail angled just right did me in.

    Since Tuesday evening I had been hearing this occasional clicking from the rear and didnt' know what it was. Check the spokes, chain, wheel, brakes and quick release nada. Today I did my weekly tire check and it wouldn't go up over 80 and then it just dropped completely. Checked around and found a half inch nail that I had to pry out of the tire because of the barbs. I also noticed I probably need to order some replacements for the rear because there is no tread left at all. I guess concrete eats tires as well as cowboy boot soles.
    Took me 5 minutes to get part of the tire off with tire levers to get to the tube.
    A few seconds to patch with my park tool glue patches.
    Then 15 minutes of knuckle scraping with soap and two tire levers to get the tires back on. This is not something I could do with the wheel on the bike.
    I'm thinking about getting some slime or similar. That hole was soo small and my tires are already sooo heavy it isn't likely to make me any slower. If all that can get through is a small, long, pointy object slime might save me alot of trouble especially after I put my xtracycle kit on.

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    this is why i ride on my rims

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    Quote Originally Posted by evblazer View Post
    they are absolutely a huge PITA to put on and take off my A319 Mavic Rims...Then 15 minutes of knuckle scraping with soap and two tire levers to get the tires back on.
    they easily went on my velocity synergys without any levers.

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    I just looked at the pictures of each rim with a cut away and they don't seem that different.
    If I get a new set of wheels I may try the synergys since it seems to work a little better.

    It really feels like I'm trying to put a 700C tire on a 27" rim there are just so dang tight. I actually ruined a marathon plus tire because the tire levers wore through and made the bead seperate from the tire which allowed the tube to pop out when the tire was mounted.

    What size Marathon Plus are you using maybe that is a difference? Mine are 700x32.

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    This is why I'm going to order air free tires.

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    Perhaps they have improved from a few years ago but the Air Free tires and/or air free tubes I tried were not so great.
    I had a horribly jarring ride followed by broken spoke galore. The tires were horrible in the rain and the tubes really made my ride squirrely. Now I'm a heavy guy who pushed my bike hard so that is two strikes against me there.

    This is my first flat in an extremely long time. My first ever with Marathon Pluses so I'm not sure I'm ready to take the dive into air-free again.

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    must've been a nail made of Kryptonite. . .
    Roll away the dew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioFlyer View Post
    This is why I'm going to order air free tires.
    Just stick a nail in your current ones. They'll be air-free in a minute or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evblazer View Post
    What size Marathon Plus are you using maybe that is a difference? Mine are 700x32.
    i'm using the same size...700x32.

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    I've used slime quite a bit, I don't think you'll have much luck with it. I always used it on mountain bikes running at <45psi, at these pressures it works wonderfully. Any pressure approaching 80psi (probably more than 60psi) and the slime will blow past the nail and wont seal properly.
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    hey i dont have anything to gain fron this plug so its not spam, but anyone in norther colorado whos looking for schwalbe rubber should check out Spring Creek Recumbent in fort collins, behind whole foods. they have a pretty amazing selection of tires for all kinds of bikes, and rob's happy to order anything you need.

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    For the love of Sheldon, man! What do you expect!? A nail? I expect Mr Tuffy, et al, to stop bits of wire, goatheads, etc, but a nail?!? And you rode how far on it? I wouldn't be complaining, I'd be filing a nomination for the Flat Prevention Hall of Fame. And yet, you still managed to patch the tube.



    Seriously, sometimes I look at flat prevention measures more as blowout prevention measures. Just let me get this thing stopped before the tire comes off the rim, ok?

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    This is the scenario i hope to avoid. I'm running pretty much the same setup (except Continental Gatorskins instead).

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    Well the gripe I guess was more about my rims apparantly and how the sides are too high and make tight fitting tires well hard as heck to get on. The tires are great but heavy and slow (good exercise) I actually ordered another pair just now along with yellow bar end mirrors that match my yellow bar tape. I guess I can't use slime though. I ride at 95psi.

    If the nail got in their tuesday it means I had 50+ miles on it easily. The ticking sound is no longer there so it must have been the nail. 270+ Lbs of me along with 75+lbs of bike plus gear on concrete so the tires have it rough. I am carrying a heavier load then normal because our office is moving and I'm bringing my personal stuff home by bike.

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    Yeah...you're not going to do much about a nail or other large sharp metal objects.

    The only two flats I've had since riding both Armadillos and Marathons were from a jagged 1.5 inch sharp piece of metal, and from a nail.
    Good night...and good luck

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    I really don't understand this obsession with flat prevention. Regular tires are pretty good at resisting flats as long as you aren't riding over glass on a regular basis and you keep them properly inflated. I had a flat about a month ago and it took me only a couple minutes at most to change the tube and I was on my way. I didn't even need tire levers-probably another benefit of running a regular 700x23 tire.

    At worst, it's a minor annoyance. I actually was excited to get that flat just to see how long it would take me to change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDRider View Post
    I really don't understand this obsession with flat prevention. Regular tires are pretty good at resisting flats as long as you aren't riding over glass on a regular basis and you keep them properly inflated. I had a flat about a month ago and it took me only a couple minutes at most to change the tube and I was on my way. I didn't even need tire levers-probably another benefit of running a regular 700x23 tire.

    At worst, it's a minor annoyance. I actually was excited to get that flat just to see how long it would take me to change it.
    12 flats last year with my regular tires, zero this year. They make a big difference. Still, as the OP knows, they don't stop everything.
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    But the thing is i do ride over glass on a regular basis... Mostly unavoidable in the dark too. The joys of having your route go through a area loaded with auto repair shops.
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    . . .obsession with flat prevention. . .

    There is some regionality to it. When I lived in California, I shared your point of view. Proper inflation and tires that weren't showing the cords were enough. In the Rio Grande Valley, we've got these things called "goatheads." They could make bicycling essentially impossible.

    There is also some part of the obsession that is related to this forum. Commuters (and those using a bike as a car alternative) are less likely to be tolerant of flats, I think (I know I am).
    Roll away the dew!

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    Only 2000miles with the Marathons? I thought they lasted longer than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hamlin View Post
    . . .obsession with flat prevention. . .

    There is some regionality to it. When I lived in California, I shared your point of view. Proper inflation and tires that weren't showing the cords were enough. In the Rio Grande Valley, we've got these things called "goatheads." They could make bicycling essentially impossible.

    There is also some part of the obsession that is related to this forum. Commuters (and those using a bike as a car alternative) are less likely to be tolerant of flats, I think (I know I am).
    I guess I can understand that. I've been commuting by bike for 2 years now (not everyday but at least once or twice a week...sometimes as much as 4 days a week) and I've yet to flat on a ride in and only once on the ride home. I also sliced a sidewall in the dark on a commute home last winter but didn't notice it until I was home and saw the tube bulging out through a 1cm long gash the front tire of a Continental GP4000. That was an expensive flat repair.

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    I don't understand when people say that changing SMP's is so difficult. I've installed about 20 brand new SMPS with only my hands, no tools, and it's no problem at all. I wonder what I do differently.
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    I think the difference may be something other then the tires although I think they are harder to put on then some others due to being an incredibly stiff tire with a stiff bead.
    On my A319 Mavics somehow there is 12" of tire that I can't get on by hand. I need to get out the hand soap to make the tire slick and two tire levers to sqeeze it on very very slowly and firmly. The tires that came with the bike I used tire levers to get on also but I probably could have struggled and put those on just by hand.
    I thought it was just me for a while but when I got my new rims the bike store said they'd swap the tires for me. Following alot of swearing and many many minutes they came out still grumbling about my damn tires. *shrug*

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