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    Is it possible to be oversecured?

    I'm supposed to be able to pick my new bike up from the LBS Friday. It's a Haro Flightline Sport that's getting skinnier tires and modified stem and bars to make it more suitable for commuting, but with swapping tires and parts I can still have an MTB.

    Anyhow, it's not the most expensive bike out there, but it was alot of money for me. It's also the first new bike I've had in at least twelve years. It's the most I've ever spent on a bike for myself.

    Since I ride at a college campus, I'm thinking about going all the way and getting a Krypto New York Fuhgedaboutit lock for it. Bike theft doesn't seem to be too big of an issue at school, and I see more than a few poorly secured bikes in the racks. My theory is that a thief will take the easy targets first, and I'd rather my bike be as secure as possible.

    I'm I going too far with this? Advice and suggestions would be appreciated.

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    Like you said, if easier targets are available, it would be the rare thief that would try to grab yours.

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    Y'know, I think the size of your lock has to be in proportion to how much you value the bike and how likely you believe it will get stolen.

    If it's inconvenient to get a big ass lock then fuggedaboutit, but if you don't mind hauling a 20 lber to school then, by all means, go for it.

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    If you park in the same place daily one can always leave your lock on that rack.
    Get the highest rated chain or U-lock you can afford. Better safe than walking home.

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    I use a fagettaboutit (sp?) U lock and a cable lock on my bike at work. I leave the U lock on the bike rack when I leave. I don't really care how stupid I look. I <3 my bikes and I want to keep them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by madfiNch View Post
    I use a fagettaboutit (sp?) U lock and a cable lock on my bike at work. I leave the U lock on the bike rack when I leave. I don't really care how stupid I look. I <3 my bikes and I want to keep them!
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    I have a couple of the Fahgettaboudit® locks. I keep one at my wife's shop and I have one at home to take with me if I make a run into town. They may weigh a ton. But to me most of my bikes are irreplaceable. None of them are worth a whole lot of money, but the methheads will steal anything they think they can get any amount of money for. I too subscribe to the theory of the harder it is to steal the more likely they are to look for easier pickings. FWIW my Raleigh Superbe was locked up in front of a local department store, came out to find the cops in the parking lot...seems about 5 cars had been broken into in broad daylight, items missing included a couple of stereo systems, digital cameras and cellphones...but my bike was still there

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    I have a New York Lock on the rack, front wheel, and frame, and an old Krypto evolution on the rear wheel and frame, and finally a cable through both wheels. I'm on a college campus in Los Angeles so I'm not taking any chances. I wouldn't be too broken up if someone stole one of my bikes as they none of them are worth more than $1k. I just want any theif to have to work for my bike. Plus I'm in front of the Law School so lots of nosey witnesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by climbhoser View Post
    Y'know, I think the size of your lock has to be in proportion to how much you value the bike and how likely you believe it will get stolen.
    I lock my sub-$100 beater with a New York Kryptonite lock in an indoor, well-lit, limited-access parking garage. I had bikes stolen from me before; I'd like to minimize the likelyhood of that. Yeah, it's two pounds heavier than a cheap U-lock... but given the weight of my beater I wouldn't sweat it.

    My good bike I just don't lock. Or lock it with a flimsy cable lock, while I'm sitting two feet away from it, ready to jump if anybody tries to mess with it.

    So in fact the size of my lock is inversely proportional to how much I value the bike.
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    +1 for using way too much lock than is practical to carry, and leaving said lock on the rack you're likely to use most. It's what I do.
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    One could say, that if you leave your lock on said rack, and a would-be thief notices said lock - and notices that the same bike is locked to it every day, could that not give said would-be thief all the time in the world to tamper with the integrity of said lock until one day they are able to just whack it with a hammer or some other simple final blow and ride away with said bike?
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    Why would a bike thief **** with one lock all that time to sabotage it just to get to a bike that's probably not the most expensive on campus, when he could **** with a lesser lock and actually get away with a bike immediately?
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    I park on the campus of a major university every day.

    I use one combo U-lock as long as I'm only there during daylight hours.

    If someone has tools to cut a U-lock they can cut anything.

    So, I insure my bikes.

    Actual insurance policies are more reliable than the insurance locks provide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax0n View Post
    Why would a bike thief **** with one lock all that time to sabotage it just to get to a bike that's probably not the most expensive on campus, when he could **** with a lesser lock and actually get away with a bike immediately?
    No fair, you answered my question with another question! Back to the fishbowl with you!

    Seriously though, when you think about it, bike thieves (and thieves in general) don't really do things that make sense at all. Someone stole one sock off my front porch back in the summer, ONE SOCK! My neighbor saw it happen and gave chase, to no avail. The other sock is now a conversation piece when we are sitting around the firepit drinking on the weekends now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calebg View Post
    I use one combo U-lock as long as I'm only there during daylight hours.
    A combo U-lock? Do you have brand name/model? Never seen those.

    If someone has tools to cut a U-lock they can cut anything.
    Who says the thief will necessarily cut the U-lock? There is a variety of ways to defeat a cheaper U-lock including picking the lock or separating the | portion from the C portion by using car jacks or by fitting pipes that fit over a sticking-out portion of the | part (some cheaper locks have those) or even by using bike frame as a leverage.

    A tough U-lock like the ones in New York Kryptonite series really is more secure than a no-name cheapo U-lock from Walmart, because the only way to open it without a key is to cut it with power tools (or be a virtuoso lock picker, I guess). Probably too much trouble for the great majority of thieves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chephy View Post
    A combo U-lock? Do you have brand name/model? Never seen those.
    http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Produc...=1000&pid=1106

    I got one for $20 on sale at REI. It's not rated as good as the high end Kryptonite U-locks but it is very convenient.

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    If you can, lock your bike to an exposed natural gas pipe. Nobody's foolish enough to go sawing or yanking on a U-lock when there's a potential for an explosion!

    Also, check out the line of locks from OnGuard. They seem to be very solidly made, and a bit less expensive in some cases.
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    Secure is what you think is necessary. If you want to lock it with the Krypto NYC, then go for it. It makes yours a less likely target and someone intent on snatching a bike will probably move on to the next, easier mark.
    Of course, overkill is possible...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-o View Post
    If you can, lock your bike to an exposed natural gas pipe. Nobody's foolish enough to go sawing or yanking on a U-lock when there's a potential for an explosion!
    You give drug addicts WAAAAY too much credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chephy View Post
    You give drug addicts WAAAAY too much credit.
    Well then, they get what they deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK1974 View Post
    IBike theft doesn't seem to be too big of an issue at school, and I see more than a few poorly secured bikes in the racks.
    College campus = bike thief haven. Just because you don't hear about doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    That said, I've lived in college towns most of my life and have never had a bike stolen. I've used U locks for 20 years now. Technique is probably about as important as choosing the right lock.

    College campuses are also notorious for theft of quick release things like saddles, lights and cyclocomputers. If you have easily removable accessories, either remove them when you lock up the bike or secure them with fasteners. In very high theft areas, you even have to secure components like handlebars and pedals.

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    I think you're going about this the right way. Get what you need for your given situation. IMO, in a college campus environment, a U-lock plus a cheap cable lock may be appropriate, and enough security. For me...that would be overkill...seeing as I only use a cable lock. Of course the bike rack I use is 50 feet from the main entrance of the building I work, in full view of a surveillance camera and 50 feet from the security office, plus you can't get into the building complex without the employer issued ID cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-o View Post
    If you can, lock your bike to an exposed natural gas pipe. Nobody's foolish enough to go sawing or yanking on a U-lock when there's a potential for an explosion!
    Ye underestimate the stupidity of the dumbest people. Some people are absolutely that foolish. Also, don't underestimate the power of meth. Similar cases from the Darwin awards:

    "(31 July 1997) Two teens were disassembling an electric tower with wrenches when it toppled to the ground. They apparently wanted to sell its aluminum supports for scrap, but they failed to realize the essential role the aptly named "support" plays in a 160-foot tower. One of the men was crushed by the collapse of the ten-thousand-pound tower, while the other dug himself out from under, a sadder but wiser man from his close brush with a Darwin Award. "

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    In December near Mineral Wells, Tex., three men who were attempting to steal copper wire off live electrical lines for resale were electrocuted. Copper wiring is a valuable scrap metal in Texas but is usually stolen from electric cables that are not being used.

    (1999, England) Wayne wanted to make a few bucks by selling stolen scrap metal. He sneaked into a demolition site and surveyed the area for valuable hunks of debris. His eyes fastened upon what appeared to be a 3" thick copper pipe. That would fetch a fine fee! But it was too heavy for him to budge it.

    He hauled a few lesser chunks of metal away, and returned with sturdy bolt cutters. It was then, when he attempted to sever the pipe, that he was shocked to discover that it was actually an aluminum cable carrying 11,000 volts of power. The paramedics who later tried to revive the electrified Wayne were thwarted by the current. He did not survive to be charged with his offences.

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    My current ride gets locked with a Krypto Evolution 2000 that I got at the LBS for $25 new due to the fact that they'd had it on the shelf for a long time. Some of those locks are pickable with a bic pen, but I've never had any trouble. I also use a Krypto cable lock that I've had for 10 or twelve years to secure the front wheel. I think I'm the only person who does that around here.

    Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'm not overenthusiastic about leaving the lock attached to the rack in my absence. I'm only on campus two or three days out of the week, and kind of feel like I should have the lock with me. I also don't know how the campus LEOs treat locks that are left behind. I can find out, but don't recall seeing anything about that in the campus handbook.

    However, the weight savings of leaving the lock could be tempting, as well as not having to worry so much about finding space on the frame for a carry bracket.

    As much as I care about my bikes and have used locks in the past, some of this feels new to me. I've only been using a dlock since summer. For the longest time, even a purpose-made Krypto cable lock seemed like borderline overkill. Also, few LBSs that I've seen seem to stock too many dlocks. Lots of cables and a few chains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Underbridge View Post
    Ye underestimate the stupidity of the dumbest people. Some people are absolutely that foolish. Also, don't underestimate the power of meth. Similar cases from the Darwin awards:

    "(31 July 1997) Two teens were disassembling an electric tower with wrenches when it toppled to the ground. They apparently wanted to sell its aluminum supports for scrap, but they failed to realize the essential role the aptly named "support" plays in a 160-foot tower. One of the men was crushed by the collapse of the ten-thousand-pound tower, while the other dug himself out from under, a sadder but wiser man from his close brush with a Darwin Award. "

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 1-1-93:
    In December near Mineral Wells, Tex., three men who were attempting to steal copper wire off live electrical lines for resale were electrocuted. Copper wiring is a valuable scrap metal in Texas but is usually stolen from electric cables that are not being used.

    (1999, England) Wayne wanted to make a few bucks by selling stolen scrap metal. He sneaked into a demolition site and surveyed the area for valuable hunks of debris. His eyes fastened upon what appeared to be a 3" thick copper pipe. That would fetch a fine fee! But it was too heavy for him to budge it.

    He hauled a few lesser chunks of metal away, and returned with sturdy bolt cutters. It was then, when he attempted to sever the pipe, that he was shocked to discover that it was actually an aluminum cable carrying 11,000 volts of power. The paramedics who later tried to revive the electrified Wayne were thwarted by the current. He did not survive to be charged with his offences.
    See? They were all punished for their misdeeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calebg View Post
    ~snip~

    So, I insure my bikes.
    I do to

    Actual insurance policies are more reliable than the insurance locks provide.
    NOT IMHO.... my deductible doesn't cover the replacement costs of most of my bikes and on the more expensive ones, they think they should whack me with the added costs of a special rider...To me insurance if for big losses, but be prepared to fight the *******s to the death to collect. I have had $1000+ tour bikes stolen and only manged to collect $200. The policy was replacement value...but there was a small fine print exclusion for listed items as ACV

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