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Old 10-23-07, 10:50 PM   #1
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cabbies hate bike people

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So this morning i was making my first winter (40's for Texans) commute when a cabbie decided to be a meanie. I was in a dedicated left turn lane. I saw that a cab would be joining me at the red light so i moved beyond the first ped. line. I didnt feel like unclipping or t-standing so i made tight circles while keeping an eye on the light. Way before the light turned green i saw him encroach the ped. cross walk and talking to me. I unplugged and he told me that my circles where confusing him. After sizing him up, i unloaded some vulgarity-laden logic on him. First ,i had not crossed into any other lane. Second i was in a marked ped./bike(city ord.) crosswalk with no pedestrians in sight. Third, he didnt even have his signal on for the turn. Now i can understand (not justify) getting upset over being inconvienienced by even a law-abiding cyclist, but he simply didnt want me on the road. I was not slowing him down. There is no left turn on red at that intersection. There was no inconvienience up to the point where he decided to be an ass. After he realized he wasnt dealing with a timid cyclist, he shut up, and i took his picture. People change their attitude when you have a picture of them when they know their wrong. I have a nice collection of license plates and headshots.
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Old 10-23-07, 11:25 PM   #2
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what were his specific words?
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Old 10-23-07, 11:39 PM   #3
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So this morning i was making my first winter (40's for Texans) commute when a cabbie decided to be a meanie. I was in a dedicated left turn lane. I saw that a cab would be joining me at the red light so i moved beyond the first ped. line. I didnt feel like unclipping or t-standing so i made tight circles while keeping an eye on the light. Way before the light turned green i saw him encroach the ped. cross walk and talking to me. I unplugged and he told me that my circles where confusing him. After sizing him up, i unloaded some vulgarity-laden logic on him. First ,i had not crossed into any other lane. Second i was in a marked ped./bike(city ord.) crosswalk with no pedestrians in sight. Third, he didnt even have his signal on for the turn. Now i can understand (not justify) getting upset over being inconvienienced by even a law-abiding cyclist, but he simply didnt want me on the road. I was not slowing him down. There is no left turn on red at that intersection. There was no inconvienience up to the point where he decided to be an ass. After he realized he wasnt dealing with a timid cyclist, he shut up, and i took his picture. People change their attitude when you have a picture of them when they know their wrong. I have a nice collection of license plates and headshots.
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Ummmmm....you may want to post what his actual words were. From reading the above, I get the impression that the cabbie was trying to find out what you were going to do when the light turned green, because he didn't understand why you were riding in circles ( seems reasonable). So you reacted by cursing him out and taking his picture.

Unless his actual words and actions were different than what I am understanding from above, it seems to me like you overreacted in a huge way (bordering on lunatic).

but his actual words and actions may be different than the impression I get from the above.
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Old 10-23-07, 11:42 PM   #4
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The next time I go for a walk in the street, I think I'll just dance in circles, and see if the car drivers (or bicyclists) understand. lol
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It was evident what i would going to do...........turn left. I was in (and didnt get out) of a dedicated left turn lane, as marked on the street and sign and light. Becides people shouldnt give a **** (or try to "understand") why other people are doing things that do not impead or effect them. Mind your own biz. If someone does genuinely care or is interested why your doing something, they would'nt approach you with the tone of someone full of piss and vinegar (as he did). Oh and his exact words were: "get the f off the road, your circles are confusing me"

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It was evident what i would going to do...........turn left. I was in (and didnt get out) of a dedicated left turn lane, as marked on the street and sign and light. Becides people shouldnt give a **** (or try to "understand") why other people are doing things that do not impead or effect them. Mind your own biz. If someone does genuinely care or is interested why your doing something, they would'nt approach you with the tone of someone full of piss and vinegar (as he did). Oh and his exact words were: "get the f off the road, your circles are confusing me"

Sorry, no sympathy from me.
From your two posts, you're coming across as an erratic [insert appropriate word here]...

It doesn't take a genius to understand why someone riding circles in the road would be unnerving to... well, EVERYONE.
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Sorry, no sympathy from me.
From your two posts, you're coming across as an erratic [insert appropriate word here]...

It doesn't take a genius to understand why someone riding circles in the road would be unnerving to... well, EVERYONE.
I think the appropriate word would be badass. Unnerving? Running red lights/stops - unnerving. Riding between lanes - unnerving. And if riding in circles is unerving, stick to commuting and dont give MTB'ing, road racin', and other fun a try.
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I can't really blame the cabbie. Your riding in circles technique would have made your intentions unclear to me, too. Sounds like your reaction was over the top. After taking his picture in that manner, he should have cussed you out.
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oh i know i was over the top. i had just got out of work. first time dealing with cold. But still. I equate my actions with riding in circles on the sidewalk. There is no reason for a driver to go there, or worry about that persons intentions. At the time (red light, and i was waiting for the cross-traffic light to turn yellow so i could stop circling), and where i was (in the crosswalk), a car had no right or reason to enter that space. A 8ft tall clown could have been juggling accordians (while the light remained red) on the crosswalk and a driver still has no reason to be concerned as i see it. It is important to note that had i not been confronted, i would have stoped circling and straightened up well in advace of our light turning green. I, as many commuters do, know my route and light timing/sequences intimately.

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I'll add my weight to the "Riding in circles at a stoplight is not a good idea" throng. He couldn't know that you were so aware of the light timing, or indeed, that you weren't just some tweaker who had forgotten why he got on the bike.
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He shouldnt assume that was i unaware. Moreover i was lycrafied and lit up (twas dusk), definitely not the look of an amature. Lycra - I kinda treat my commutes like mini TTs. If i were busting circles when the light turned green i would curse myself for being an inconvience.
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oh i know i was over the top. i had just got out of work. first time dealing with cold. But still. I equate my actions with riding in circles on the sidewalk. There is no reason for a driver to go there, or worry about that persons intentions. At the time (red light, and i was waiting for the cross-traffic light to turn yellow so i could stop circling), and where i was (in the crosswalk), a car had no right or reason to enter that space. A 8ft tall clown could have been juggling accordians (while the light remained red) on the crosswalk and a driver still has no reason to be concerned as i see it. It is important to note that had i not been confronted, i would have stoped circling and straightened up well in advace of our light turning green. I, as many commuters do, know my route and light timing/sequences intimately.
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Sounds like it's all about you.

Do you want to be treated as a pedestrian or a vehicle? If we as commuters expect to be treated as equals with cars on the road then acting appropriately and in a predictable manner is paramount.
If you consider yourself a pedestrian then you "had no right or reason to enter that space" after the crosswalk said don't walk (if is was signaled). If not, it's common sense for pedestrians not to linger in crosswalks.
If you want equality as a vehicle then, again, you "had no right or reason to enter that space" since it's a crosswalk and you're utilizing the road as a vehicle.

Just another cager even more pissed off at cyclists then they were before.

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Yes I do want to be treated in accordance with the law in my city. sorry if that offends you. According to my local laws, i can trade between sidewalk and street as often as i like, so long as i do not do so "recklessly".
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Are you absolutely sure that the law in your city allows you to ride in circles in the road whilst stopped at a junction? How about if a Hummer had 4 lanes to themselves, and decided to drive circles rather than put it in park?
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Which city? Please post said "law".
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wasnt a junction, per se, that i was in. I was within a roughly 15" wide marked pedestrian walk-way (without a pedestrian in sight).
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In which case, you were almost certainly the one in contravention of the law. In London, there are special bike sections, in front of the cars, but outside the ped crossings, at junctions, but if I started busting circles in those, I'd expect to get hauled in quick smart.
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Where i was, there is no special bike lane or section.

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12-2-13 USE OF SIDEWALKS RESTRICTED.


(A) Except as provided in Subsection (B), a person may ride a bicycle on a sidewalk.

Source: 1992 Code Section 16-8-22; Ord. 031204-13; Ord. 031211-11; Ord. 20060727-016.

subsection b lists about a dozen streets in middle downtown that are prohibited
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If I understand correctly, you're saying that the crosswalk is a sidewalk and that subsection (B) allows you to be there.
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The street i was on is not listed, and crosswalks are not mentioned separately elsewhere. There is no "dismount to use crosswalks" law here.
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Just trying to understand your viewpoint. I just commuted home and this was one of the first posts I read.


Off topic.

Do you like the Black Angels? (my favorite Austin band)
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never heard of them, but i wouldnt be surprised if theyve played 3 times this week. live music factory here. part of my reason for circling is actually to get the hell out of the way of the car behind me ASAP and move to the right lane. Jad i unclipped, in my tired state, i would have surely slowed him down. If things played out like i would have liked, i would have been on my way, out of his way, right when i got the green.
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From the Texas state codes: (http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/tn.toc.htm)

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544.007. TRAFFIC-CONTROL SIGNALS IN GENERAL.
(d) An operator of a vehicle facing only a steady red signal
shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop
line, the operator shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the
near side of the intersection. A vehicle that is not turning shall
remain standing until an indication to proceed is shown...
It goes on to explain the cases when a turning vehicle can move against a red light, which I will assume don't apply to this situation.

The law requires you to stop at a red light before your vehicle enters the crosswalk, and remain stopped until you can legally proceed. In effect you ran the red light. After running the red light, you then decided you were a pedestrian and started turning circles in the crosswalk. If the pedestrian signal was displaying a red hand or "don't walk" then you had no right to be in the crosswalk as a pedestrian.

I agree with everybody else that I would be confused why you were riding in circles in the crosswalk. Maybe waiting to cross to one of the sidewalks connected to the crosswalk? Intentionally blocking the vehicle behind you for an accomplice to carjack it? Under the influence of alcohol or drugs (as mentioned above)? Insane? Part of sharing the road is being predictable and not confusing your fellow road users.

Simply stopping at the limit line, remaining stopped until the signal turned green, and maybe even signaling with your left arm as the taxi approached, would have been a much better way to make your intentions known. Your failure to comply with the law didn't give the cabbie any reason to be rude to you, since you weren't placing him in any danger. However, I'd say he had a right to at least address you and ask what you were planning on doing.
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Even if you are allowed to be on a crosswalk, I sincerely doubt that riding circles is allowed. If you wanted a technicality about it, I imagine that part of the circle would be considered to be going the wrong way, but I'm amazed you can't see it as a bad idea without a law. Agreed, however, that there was no call for rudeness.
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Thanks JeffB502.

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