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    New security products discovered!!!

    On a recent trip to france i came across the wheel guard technology made by Oredon and picked up a set. http://www2.oredon.com/en/home.php

    This thing is genius, and now i am glad that i will not have to worry about carrying an extra cable lock to secure my wheels. Now i am thinking of picking up some of their other products, their lighting system is of particular interest. Hopefully i can talk my LBS into carrying these products.

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    There are a couple of American companies that make similar wheel locks...like the Oredon, they replace the quick release with a "keyed" release (similar to anti-theft lug nuts for cars).
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    I was thinking pitLock, but yeah.

    The FreeLock is an interesting concept that would likely thwart joyriders and thieves of opportunity, but it wouldn't stop a pro, or someone with a pickup. they probably wouldn't even notice that the stem rotated freely. They'd just pick it up, toss it in the truck, and take off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax0n View Post
    I was thinking pitLock, but yeah.

    The FreeLock is an interesting concept that would likely thwart joyriders and thieves of opportunity, but it wouldn't stop a pro, or someone with a pickup. they probably wouldn't even notice that the stem rotated freely. They'd just pick it up, toss it in the truck, and take off.

    I am thinking that the freelock might be good for touring when you just need to run into a shop quickly. Personally i wouldn't buy it though.

    Are there some american companies making a product similar to oredon's lighting system?

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    That FreeLock, while novel, is an accident waiting to happen. I can just see the result of a failure to engage properly, spinning along and suddenly - No Control !!

    That and a 1 1/8" quill configuration, with limited slope and extension availability?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobber View Post
    That FreeLock, while novel, is an accident waiting to happen. I can just see the result of a failure to engage properly, spinning along and suddenly - No Control !!

    That and a 1 1/8" quill configuration, with limited slope and extension availability?
    +1.


    For touring/commuting/errands/etc., I'd rather see a bicycle designed from the ground up with built-in security.

    We don't have to go out and purchase aftermarket locks, lights, etc. for our cars, and I'd really rather not have to for my "utility" bikes either.
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    Actually, I think it's Breezer, comes with a quick freelock that sits right there with the rear brake, and it forces a metal loop through the rear wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSP View Post
    We don't have to go out and purchase aftermarket locks, lights, etc. for our cars, and I'd really rather not have to for my "utility" bikes either.
    I'd like to see something like an options list where you can pick what you want incorporated into the bike but still have it come with certain standard items, like they do for cars and all.
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    Actually, I think it's Breezer, comes with a quick freelock that sits right there with the rear brake, and it forces a metal loop through the rear wheel.

    http://www.bikearlington.com/cImg/closeup.JPG
    Standard in all bikes sold here in the Netherlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glacierre View Post
    Standard in all bikes sold here in the Netherlands.
    Hmmmm...but doesn't the Netherlands still have one of the highest rates of bike theft in the world?
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    "ReeLight has proved its worth ..... with the risk of accident reduced to 40%"

    whoo - hooo. I love things lost in translation.

    Cool products tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSP View Post
    Hmmmm...but doesn't the Netherlands still have one of the highest rates of bike theft in the world?
    Only because they have more bikes there than anyplace else in the world except for maybe China.
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    ^^^
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    Bicycles per 1,000 people in the United States (mid-1990s)
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    In Germany
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    In the Netherlands
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrock View Post
    Only because they have more bikes there than anyplace else in the world except for maybe China.
    That would account for the overall number, but not for the rate of theft per person.

    "For bicycle theft, the highest risks were in Japan, Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark (about 8% of owners had a bicycle taken)." per http://www.unicri.it/wwd/analysis/ic...000i/index.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrock View Post
    Only because they have more bikes there than anyplace else in the world except for maybe China.
    I think poster was talking about rate of thefts, not absolute number of thefts.

    I did grow up in the Netherlands and had more than one bike stolen from me. The wheellock ws typically the only lock.
    Now that I am old I would never trust my bike with such only a lock (even though a good wheel lock can be near impossible to crack) since a thief could simply lift it up
    At a minimum, a U-lock thru front wheel and frame, preferably aided by one or two additional locks


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    Quote Originally Posted by SSP View Post
    That would account for the overall number, but not for the rate of theft per person.

    "For bicycle theft, the highest risks were in Japan, Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark (about 8% of owners had a bicycle taken)." per http://www.unicri.it/wwd/analysis/ic...000i/index.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSP View Post
    Hmmmm...but doesn't the Netherlands still have one of the highest rates of bike theft in the world?
    Yes it is, bike theft is regarded almost as a national sport, but it's also true that this same fact, instead of leading people towards increasing quality of locking, leads them to increase the rate of theft (your bike is stolen, you badly need one, you steal one, and next person iterates the loop).

    In Spain there is a similar phenomena with plastic hub caps (in cars), once somebody loses/gets stolen one the most probable outcome is a rather funny hub cap stealing wave only broken when somebody finally decides to buy new ones or just run without them.

    (Never did any of the two, though, and never had mines -hub cap or bike- stolen so far).

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    Don't forget the effect of usage on theft rates. I'm betting that many bikes in the US sit in the garage, rarely, if ever, used. I suspect that in the Netherlands, etc, the bikes (on average) are ridden many more miles and are therefor parked in vulnerable places much more often, so you get more thefts per bike or per owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwainedibbly View Post
    Don't forget the effect of usage on theft rates. I'm betting that many bikes in the US sit in the garage, rarely, if ever, used. I suspect that in the Netherlands, etc, the bikes (on average) are ridden many more miles and are therefor parked in vulnerable places much more often, so you get more thefts per bike or per owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax0n View Post
    Actually, I think it's Breezer, comes with a quick freelock that sits right there with the rear brake, and it forces a metal loop through the rear wheel.

    http://www.bikearlington.com/cImg/closeup.JPG
    I've got one of those on my Trek L200. Great backup lock plus I can use it if I just want to run in real quick someplace. It also has a port on it to use with an accessory chain (which is hard to find here in the US).
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    My dad's Biria has such a lock.


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    Looks like half a handcuff... Do they sell them separately or do you have to get the whole bike to have one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrock View Post
    Looks like half a handcuff... Do they sell them separately or do you have to get the whole bike to have one?
    Yeah, you can buy those separately, but i have never seen them in any LBS in the US....

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    I don't have an LBS, I have a new bike showroom...
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