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Old 11-26-07, 03:46 PM   #1
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Another Dinotte Website Sale

Starts tonight. Three items on sale on the Dinotte website

Lithium-ion powered taillight with battery and one charger, for $165.

AA powered taillight (batteries and charger deleted), for $110.

Lithium ion powered AMBER DATYIME RUNNING LIGHT with a single 2 cell (aka mini) battery and charger, for $164.

When the sale starts, you should see the sale items shown in the lower right hand corner of their home page. Quantities, according to the email I got, are limited.


I'm considering getting one of the taillights, since I already have the Dinotte 600L headlight, and love it.

Any thoughts on the Lithium vs. AA taillight? And, how do most of you secure the battery pack? Their website and illustrations are woefully inadequate in describing or illustrating that.

Apparently, you can get a Y-connector for the Lithium models, and run both head and tail lights from one battery (but I prefer the headlight helmet-mounted, so this would likely be a non-issue for me).

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Any thoughts on the Lithium vs. AA taillight? And, how do most of you secure the battery pack? Their website and illustrations are woefully inadequate in describing or illustrating that.


I prefer AA so I can carry spare batteries. Typically on my commute I will carry two spare packs.

The battery pack comes with a case that straps to the frame with a velcro strap.

I was e-begging him to have another sale like the first one. This one is not quite what I was looking for.
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I prefer AA so I can carry spare batteries. Typically on my commute I will carry two spare packs.

The battery pack comes with a case that straps to the frame with a velcro strap.

I was e-begging him to have another sale like the first one. This one is not quite what I was looking for.
What kind of run times do you get per AA battery pack? And, do you use NiMH or LiIon rechargeables?
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And, how do most of you secure the battery pack?
aww, bummer, you had me excited, but only tail and running lights on sale? I was hoping to pick up a headlight.

as for mounting, I put the battery pack under the saddle for the tail light...






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I love the Dinotte lights. But the design of the battery pack is atrocious. After loading it with 4 AA batteries, you put a little velcro strap around it to keep the batteries from jiggling loose. (And they will jiggle loose without something to secure them. That creates a pretty dangerous situation if you're relying on a working taillight.) Then, somehow, you cram that into the case you see in the picture above. The little velcro strap around the pack makes it difficult to slide in.
Is anybody else having trouble with this or is it just me? Maybe I'm doing it all wrong but no instructions or diagrams are available as far as I know.
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eh, just wrap the battery pack with one reasonable thick/wide rubber band.

But I hear your concerns.
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Old 11-26-07, 08:49 PM   #7
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eh, just wrap the battery pack with one reasonable thick/wide rubber band.

But I hear your concerns.
Yeah, I guess that might work better. Like I said - poor design. I like the lights though. The flashing modes are very useful.
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I love the Dinotte lights. But the design of the battery pack is atrocious. After loading it with 4 AA batteries, you put a little velcro strap around it to keep the batteries from jiggling loose. (And they will jiggle loose without something to secure them. That creates a pretty dangerous situation if you're relying on a working taillight.) Then, somehow, you cram that into the case you see in the picture above. The little velcro strap around the pack makes it difficult to slide in.
Is anybody else having trouble with this or is it just me? Maybe I'm doing it all wrong but no instructions or diagrams are available as far as I know.
I complained to Dinotte after I purchased my 600L headlights. For nearly $400, you'd expect more than a 1-page "user manual" with no photos, no info on run times, no suggestions about how/where to mount the battery pack, no mention of the helmet mount or how to attach it, etc. I think I p*ssed them off, because they chose not to reply to my email.

What is it about lighting manufacturers? I remember a similar arrogant attitude from NightSun years ago...if you're not a mind-reading electrical engineer, they just don't care.

That said, I did order the Li-Ion tail light (mostly because I already have the Li-Ion 600L headlight, and the batteries are interchangeable, and I'll now have a second charger that I can keep at my office). Their light engines seem very good, and I just don't have the time to cobble one together myself.

And, like Tim Allen once said..."What do we need?...More Power!".
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I complained to Dinotte after I purchased my 600L headlights. For nearly $400, you'd expect more than a 1-page "user manual" with no photos, no info on run times, no suggestions about how/where to mount the battery pack, no mention of the helmet mount or how to attach it, etc.
Do agree there. I got a headlight last week, unpacked everything, and found a little slip saying the manual is online. OK, sure, save some trees, that's cool. That would be nice except there's nothing more than a one-page manual even online - and absolutely nothing regarding accessories.

So I'm sitting there with 3 strap-looking things with some serious ambiguity as to how the thing was designed to fit together. I had to google for a while before I found a picture of a helmet-mounted Dinotte on Peter White's page somewhere.

As far as the batteries go, I used the small strap that comes with the helmet mount kit to tie down the wire and also to keep the battery pack from wiggling. I think the connection will be OK if the pack is immobilized.

The light's pretty nice though. I could actually see more than just the 1x3 foot area that my Cateye 530 illuminates well, and drivers definitely see me coming. The best was the moth that flew straight into my forehead as it was drawn to the light.
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I have 2 of the AA taillights. I just toss both of the battery packs into the water bottle holder of my Topeak MTX DXP trunk bag. I haven't had a problem with the batteries popping out of their holders. I just put the batteries in the black plastic holders, put the batteries/holders in their small nylon pouches, and put the pouches in the water bottle holder. I don't think it's necessary to put a rubber band or velcro strap around the batteries, but I guess it couldn't hurt for some extra peace of mind.
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Old 11-27-07, 05:49 AM   #11
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I had the 200L battery pack strapped under the top tube of my MTB and hit some wicked night-time singletrack last night. Never had a battery pop out of the holder clip, didn't have a problem with the "9 volt" style connector, and the pack stayed velcro strapped without any issues. Although I was running a hardtail MTB, I'm pretty sure that a battery pack on the rear would hold up just fine even out there on the trail... but who uses tail lights on the trail? I'd be fine on the road.

If you're paranoid, I suppose a rubber band would help.
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Old 11-27-07, 07:01 AM   #12
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I have never had a problem with the battery packs coming loose although it isn't an "elegant" solution. I love my tail light and am very pleased with my helmet light. Dinotte has been very cool about upgrades, spare parts, etc.
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I have had a battery pop loose during a ride so I now use a two inch piece of old mountain bike tube to hold the batteries in place - works like a charm. I also take a smaller piece of tube (more rubberband sized) and stretch it longways around the battery pack to hold the connector in place as I've had that jiggle loose too. I'd rather have a little overkill than lose light during my commute.

For my headlight, I've tired all sorts of different arrangements for the battery pack before settling on sticking it under the stem. I do wish it was a little easier to tighten up the little pouch as it can bounce around a bit if not securely fastened in place.

My taillight battery pack is tucked in at the apex of the rear triangle where it is held pretty snugly in place so it doesn't bounce around too much.
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So how are you supposed to mount a DiNotte tail-light to your bike if you can't use the seatpost? My bike has a Carradice Barley seatbag to carry my gear, and it makes the seatpost totally unusable for mounting tail-lights. I've mounted my Planet Bike Superflash to one of the chain stays, and I've got another tail-light attached to the rear strap on the Barley. But I can't see a simple way to mount the DiNotte if you don't have a seatpost or a rear rack.
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I have 2 of the AA taillights. I just toss both of the battery packs into the water bottle holder of my Topeak MTX DXP trunk bag. I haven't had a problem with the batteries popping out of their holders. I just put the batteries in the black plastic holders, put the batteries/holders in their small nylon pouches, and put the pouches in the water bottle holder. I don't think it's necessary to put a rubber band or velcro strap around the batteries, but I guess it couldn't hurt for some extra peace of mind.
Two Dinotte tailllights!!!???

Did you have to register your bike as a lethal weapon?

And, how do you deal with the sounds behind you of screeching tires, crashing metal, and screams of pain?
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I love the Dinotte lights. But the design of the battery pack is atrocious. After loading it with 4 AA batteries, you put a little velcro strap around it to keep the batteries from jiggling loose. (And they will jiggle loose without something to secure them. That creates a pretty dangerous situation if you're relying on a working taillight.) Then, somehow, you cram that into the case you see in the picture above. The little velcro strap around the pack makes it difficult to slide in.
Is anybody else having trouble with this or is it just me? Maybe I'm doing it all wrong but no instructions or diagrams are available as far as I know.
I have the strap around my stem, through the slot in the nylon bag. The slot is quite long, so the bag would sag down. I sewed the side of the slot, so the strap fits better, now. The opening is toward the back, so it's easy to slide in the batteries.

I had the AAs pop loose a few times, so I use two rubber bands around the battery holder.


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What kind of run times do you get per AA battery pack? And, do you use NiMH or LiIon rechargeables?
I timed my Duracell 2650 NiMH on the 200L at just over 3 hours. I just have a cheap $11.00 Energizer charger.
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I am running the same setup as the guy above me. Duracell 2650s and the cheap Energizer 4x AA/AAA charger. similar results with my 200L. A little shorter runtime when it's below freezing. The Energizer 2500 mAh batteries that came with the charger last almost a dead-even 3 hours at 50 degrees Fahrenheit.
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What kind of run times do you get per AA battery pack? And, do you use NiMH or LiIon rechargeables?
I'm not sure what I was expecting, but I'm less than impressed with the runtimes of the taillight. I guess I got spoiled by the superflash which will run for months on two AAAs.

I've had the dinotte taillight for a long time, but just started using it after the mount came out. I really need to pay better attention, but I think I might be getting 3 days our of a charge - maybe 3.5? Roughly a 30-minute trip each way. Flashing in the morning and solid (high) on the way home. Twice now it has reverted to a low power flash because of low batteries. I believe I've been running 2500 cells, charged in a La Crosse charger.

Maybe this is normal.

I purchased a Wilma 4 about three weeks ago. I'm still running on the initial charge of the Wilma. I've had to charge the dinotte batteries three times. I only use the headlight on the trip home, and the holidays gave me some days off.

I own it, and now that I have a mount (albeit a pretty poor design) I will likely continue to use it. I've definitely got to get the superflash mounted back on though.

I still wouldn't really recommend one - and wouldn't buy another if mine were stolen tomorrow.
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What kind of run times do you get per AA battery pack? And, do you use NiMH or LiIon rechargeables?
I run the Energizer 2300mAH cells and they are lasting a little over an hour before I get the flashing switch-light warning. I have run them down to flashing-mode in a little under two hours on high.

I have to agree about the battery holder complaint. I have had my batteries pop completely out of the holder on rough trails. Luckily I had a backup light to go searching for the batteries scattered all over the trail. The battery holder itself is a bit fragile but luckily it is cheap to replace. Still, not exactly a setup I'd race 24-hours Moab with. Great for commuting and switching between bikes though.
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Just pulled the trigger on a 200L running on lithium-ion batteries, which is also part of the holiday sale as of today. $159 for a setup with one li-ion battery and no helmet mount. Looking forward to being able to see on my commute home now!
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I use 3 Dinottes, all with AAs. The batteries for the tail light go in the rack bag, the batteries for the headlight get velcro'd to the stem (similar to rm-rf's setup) and the batteries for the helmet-mounted light go in a t-shirt pocket. I've never had anything pop out or off.

(I also use a Cateye LD1000 on the rear and a pair of cateye 530 headlights mounted to the rack braze-ons on the fork.)


I just realized that I have nearly as much invested in lights as the original purchase price of my Bianchi San Jose commuter.
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I really wanted to get one of the dinotte taillights, but the runtime puts me off. I just bought another superflash for now. dwainedibbly don't get me started on headlights. Try shelling out for a Betty and Wilma then you realize how crazy prices can get.
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What I've really been tempted to do is to go to Radio Shack and buy a D-cell battery holder, some 9v connectors, and make a D-cell battery pack that will power my 3 Dinotte lights, wired in parallel, with the batteries in my rack bag or maybe a bottle cage. (The San Jose has 3 sets of bottle braze-ons.) OTOH, I guess I'd lose some redundancy if I did that, but I'd still have the Cateyes.

Runtime? FWIW, I commute 3-4 days/week, ~30 minutes, and can go a week on one charge of NiMH tail light batteries. You want to use 2500 mAh or greater cells, for sure.


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aww, bummer, you had me excited, but only tail and running lights on sale? I was hoping to pick up a headlight.

as for mounting, I put the battery pack under the saddle for the tail light...






Would your bike happen to be a Kogswell P/R?
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