Continuously Variable Transmission
A co-worker showed me this bike with a sealed hub, continuously-variable transmission based on Leonardo DaVinci's sketches. WOW - is this really new, or have I just never heard of it before? I know Audi's have had variable trannies, and my old lawn tractor has one, but I've never seen one small/light enough for a bike. Now my brain is flashing with images of a fixed version for a unicycle!!
More here: http://www.ellsworthride.com/ |
That sounds pretty awesome, but sounds like a ***** to maintain/repair.
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Popular science had an article on this invention in their last issue. They gave it one of their innovations of the year award. They had it on their beach cruiser "like" bike because it is too heavy for a road bike.
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Search the forums for nuvinci and you'll find other discussions about it.
There are cheaper options on the market than the Ellsworth bike. None are currently listed, but there have been bikes on ebay with the hub for around $500. |
http://www.fallbrooktech.com/NuVinci.asp
It's huge, weighs a ton, and is a hell of a work horse of a hub. For utility applications it's close to ideal. |
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Originally Posted by option.iv
(Post 5796515)
That sounds pretty awesome, but sounds like a ***** to maintain/repair.
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Bicycle chains and toothed gears have been around for a long time, for a reason.
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Originally Posted by AllenG
(Post 5796778)
http://www.fallbrooktech.com/NuVinci.asp
It's huge, weighs a ton, and is a hell of a work horse of a hub. For utility applications it's close to ideal. |
Originally Posted by acroy
(Post 5797386)
that sucker is a work of art. WOW
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Originally Posted by Fallbrook Technology Website
What is the ratio range and efficiency of the NuVinci CVP hub?
From bench and road testing by potential consumers and industry experts, the NuVinci CVP compares favorably with the internally geared hubs on the market today and has the same or better ratio range. |
Originally Posted by oldfool
(Post 5797527)
I've been looking at this thing for some time and I have heard that it weighs a lot but how much is a lot. I haven't seen any numbers. My idea of heavy is HEAVY and not measured in grams. I leave the yard at about 250 pounds. I am more concerned with the cost. This sucker ain't cheap..:)
Originally Posted by Fallbrook Technology Website What is the ratio range and efficiency of the NuVinci CVP hub? From bench and road testing by potential consumers and industry experts, the NuVinci CVP compares favorably with the internally geared hubs on the market today and has the same or better ratio range. Uh-huh. Verrrry specific. Gear range is 250%. Don't know about the efficiency, but by the way it rides it feels no more or less draggy than the SRAM, S-A, Rohloff and other internal hubs I've owned. |
Wired had an article on this some months back. It's a gorgeous bike, but I dunno about those handlebars.
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Sounds heavy.
What's wrong with cables, cassettes and derailleurs? |
Originally Posted by SDRider
(Post 5804287)
Sounds heavy.
What's wrong with cables, cassettes and derailleurs? |
I keep wondering whether the wider gear range of the Rohloff would provide more of a benefit than the NuVinci CVT. The Speedhub 36 500/14 has a gear range of 526%, so over the entire range, shifts increase or decrease in even increments of 13.6%. That seems almost as good as a CVT, plus the total gear range is 50% larger.
Paul |
Wow, unicycle application FTW !!!!!!
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Originally Posted by MnIceBiker
(Post 5806691)
They don't provide enough ballast. Thats important in the snow. :o
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SRAM iMotion9: ~40% of the weight, ~2/3 cost, ~x1.4 range.
S-A XRF-8: ~30% of the weight, ~1/3 cost, ~x1.2 range. TCS |
Originally Posted by SDRider
(Post 5804287)
Sounds heavy.
What's wrong with cables, cassettes and derailleurs? No technology is perfect, especially not a new one. The point is to make progress and constantly evolve, hopefully towards something better. Maybe it'll be race ready in 10 years? Who knows? |
That looks really awesome. The only thing I can think of that may be a problem down the road is when the fluid ages, will it start to slip? Is there a way to replace the fluid?
Also, If you leave it in a particular gear range for a long time, I can see ruts developing on the balls. Then it will always want to go to that spot. But that's pretty far down the road. |
$4K for a 30 lb bike? Oooooooh, sign me up!
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My motorcycle has a CVT, best thing since sliced bread. No clutch to worry with, engine always running at it's most efficient speed, fast, smooth, and has the feel of effortless power. As for fitting one on a bicycle.... can't say it's ready for real world use at this time for that service. As others have commented it's heavy, complicated, and will it slip under high torque conditions when hill climbing under a professional cyclist when it has a few thousand miles of use. It's going to be very hard to show an improvement over current chain drive and dérailleur systems.
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Originally Posted by fattyfatskinny
(Post 5811288)
15 years ago: "internet? what's wrong with the telephone? who can type anyways?"
No technology is perfect, especially not a new one. The point is to make progress and constantly evolve, hopefully towards something better. Maybe it'll be race ready in 10 years? Who knows? |
In addition to the weight, I'd bet this thing has quite a bit of friction and parasitic losses. These may be tolerable on a powered vehicle, but when you're dealing with the 1/4 hp or so of a human being, it may be intolerable. And judging by the (excellent) animation, it appears that overall gear range might be fairly narrow, much narrowere than even the current internal gear hub systems.
Neat idea, more power to them, but better inventions for this particular application have come and gone before. - Mark |
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