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    The Ohio City Bicycle Co-Op (Cleveland Flats) has a workshop every year in the late fall addressing winter cycling. At their sessions there are a few people that use slicks year round with good success, they utilize the rigid high-pressure tires to cut through the muck down to the pavement and ride gingerly in slick spots.

    To each their own, I don't ride very gingerly, and I don't have the option to coast over slick spots. So extra rolling resistance and noise for me! And oh it's like butter when I go back to my road tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    Fun, ain't it? Lots of roadies were out last night and I got dropped more than Britney Spears' kids!
    If they saw their shadow you won't see them again for another 10 weeks, or something like that. But that has to be encouraging as the winter will eventually groan on, that when you see them again, we'll be mere weeks from the beautiful warm and sunny Ohio spring!

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    It's day three with my studded tires. I feel like I've already adjusted to the increased resistance. I also feel like I get a good workout on the commute. Since one of my reasons to keep riding through the winter is to shed some weight and get healthy, I'm looking at this as a benefit and not a negative . Plus when the winter cranks back up at the end of the week, I'll be glad for the extra traction. As others have said, if you live in a place with a good freeze thaw cycle, the studs may be more of a benefit. That describes the coat of Maine. The relatively warm ocean acts to continuously freeze and thaw throughout the winter.

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    I didn't have time to read the whole thread so all I can add is my opinion that yes, studs are necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
    riddei:
    I've heard that some Schwalbes are probably the hardest tire ever to get on and off.
    OTOH, I can mount my Nokians without tools at all. I didn't know Kenda had tires with carbide studs. Bikeman's got a good price on Nokians too, I'll be needing a new tire after this season, my rear tire has lost about a dozen studs.
    Thank God Marathon's are very flat resistant (knock on wood), else I'd consider their difficulty of mounting a deal breaker for an urban commuter bike.

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    Studs doing fine on black ice this morning, but I did stop about halfway in to let some more air out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recursive View Post
    I ride on 23mm road tires all winter on all kinds of snow and ice. I must have the magic touch, because it's not a problem.
    I bow to you! Most of my riding is east of East Town, and from what I can tell, is much cleaner than the streets in Madison proper. Even still, I like knobbies with the snow and just feel more stable. I keep studs for the freeze/thaw. I suppose I could probably ride the 23s on my road bike, but I'd be more nervous about it.

    Do you also ride no-hands-1-leg on rollers?

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    I commute with cyclocross tires as they are still on after the cross season.
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    Bump for this thread and another for great winter tire information.

    Does anyone know who has the Nokians Extremes in stock and at a reasonable price?

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    Wholly resurrection Batman... I can't answer your question, but I can tell you that after last winter's commute, I will not go without my studded tires. Last year I rode across a frozen pond that kids skate on. My bike held like glue. I will definitely mount my studded tires at the first freeze we see here in Maine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riddei View Post
    Wholly resurrection Batman... I can't answer your question, but I can tell you that after last winter's commute, I will not go without my studded tires. Last year I rode across a frozen pond that kids skate on. My bike held like glue. I will definitely mount my studded tires at the first freeze we see here in Maine.
    I know this caught you by surprise, but this thread had too good a discussion! Are there any shops in Maine (Portland / Freehold / Brunswick) that might have Nokian Extremes in stock? I may be up there soon.

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    At this time, you can order Nokian Extreme 294, Nokian Mount & Ground W160, and Nokian Hakkapeliita 700 x 40 from AEbike.com for what I'd call reasonable prices (cheaper than a broken bone, anyway ). As well as some less-sought Nokians, some Kendas and some Innovas.

    I've had the IRC Blizzard 112-stud tires and the Nokian Extreme 294s. If I were getting some new tires, I'd probably go with the Mount & Ground W160, or maybe the Schwalbe Marathon studded model that features the puncture-resistant Marathon casing and the reflective sidewall stripe.

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    oh yes, i've already ordered my set of Marathon Winter, way ahead of time, to prepare, and change them as soon as the snow starts to fall.

    I'll keep using my Moe Joes, until snow starts to pack up on the pavement and streets.

    changing the tires is rather a quick task, once you get used to it.

    ... however pumping the tubes with a manual pump.... is another story. LOL

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    If you'll be on ice, studs are good. I have Nokian W106 tires. There was a day last year when it started raining just as I was leaving work. It was cold. The rain froze on the ground. People couldn't even walk on the MUP. They were falling, sliding, slipping, etc. I did ride gently, but never slipped once. One slipping woman looked at me wide-eyed and said, "How do you ride a BICYCLE on this ice?!" I said, "Studded tires!"

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    I have a friend who commutes on 700x23s' all winter long.
    My self I haven't tried studs yet. I do a refreher on my ice technique before I try it on a commute.
    We both ride heavy traffic roads,so dirt trails aren't an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vtjim View Post
    If you'll be on ice, studs are good. I have Nokian W106 tires. There was a day last year when it started raining just as I was leaving work. It was cold. The rain froze on the ground. People couldn't even walk on the MUP. They were falling, sliding, slipping, etc. I did ride gently, but never slipped once. One slipping woman looked at me wide-eyed and said, "How do you ride a BICYCLE on this ice?!" I said, "Studded tires!"
    On my way home in the snow last year, as I was pulling into the driveway, my neighbor looked at me and said, "that's impossible!" You must have special tires. I fessed up. They make a huge difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesurf View Post
    I know this caught you by surprise, but this thread had too good a discussion! Are there any shops in Maine (Portland / Freehold / Brunswick) that might have Nokian Extremes in stock? I may be up there soon.
    I got mine at Bath Cycle & Ski in Woolwich, which is the brick & Mortar name of BikeMan.com, a little north of Brunswick. Ernie's Cycle in Westbrook should have them. If you call ahead, Percy Cycles in Portland can get them for you as well.
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    Taking the plunge this year and putting some studs on my commuting mtb. Had a couple of hair rides where I thought the weather was better out than it was and got stuck in some busy traffic, riding along parked cars - which meant a fairly uneven snow/ice surface I was riding on ... made out OK, but more traction would have been nice.

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    Studs don't make much of a difference in snow or slush, I find.

    But they're absolutely indispensable on black ice. My area sees a lot of freeze/thaw cycles and freezing rain, and I have a dedicated winter bike with a set of studded tires. Noisier but not any slower than a set of regular MTB knobbies.
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    We don't get snow but rather black ice. Studs are the difference between biking and not biking in those periods. How much of a necessity the biking part is I guess is up to you to define.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jefferee View Post
    Studs don't make much of a difference in snow or slush, I find.

    But they're absolutely indispensable on black ice. My area sees a lot of freeze/thaw cycles and freezing rain, and I have a dedicated winter bike with a set of studded tires. Noisier but not any slower than a set of regular MTB knobbies.
    +1 Studs also rock on hardpack, plowed but not to the pavement frozen roads and trails which are neither ice, nor snow, but a combination of both frozen solid and flat. You can fly with the studs on that stuff. Without them, it's possible for sure, but tricky.

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