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    Does anyone own this? (rackless pannier)

    Knog Boxer rackless pannier.

    http://www.glorycycles.com/knborapa.html

    supposedly it attaches to the frame with a few small clips and you can easily remove the panniers and use them as a backpack off the bike. This sounds very versatile, but it could very well be a flawed design.

    has anyone ever seen or used one of these?

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    Does it go over the rear wheel or straddle the top tube? If it goes over the wheel,I'd be concerned about how secure the mounts are. Interesting idea in theory,but I'd wait until someone actually uses one.

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    Interesting, too bad they don't have an image of it actually on a bike...

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    Here's a little more info on how they mount:
    http://www.thedesignfiles.net/2008/0...carl-knog.html
    That's gonna leave a mark.

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    here you go: http://www.discountbicycles.co.uk/bi...e26dbe1437e081

    btw - i don't know why you would put the naked girl cartoons on it???? (edit - i just downloaded their catalog and now i get it...they're "hip")
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    I'm still not sold on the sturdiness. I want to like it, it looks sharp!

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    For $150 I don't get why you wouldn't want to use a seat post rack and regular panniers

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    It's the whole do-it-all aspect that grabbed me. and the convenience of being able to take it wherever you go.

    do you have any suggestions of seatpost racks & panniers that you think would be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwrides View Post
    btw - i don't know why you would put the naked girl cartoons on it???? (edit - i just downloaded their catalog and now i get it...they're "hip")
    No, it's the rackless girl to go with the rackless pannier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwwalters View Post
    No, it's the rackless girl to go with the rackless pannier.

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    I do own it

    So far it seems to be working well. It takes some time to get used to, and I wouldn't use it as a serious backpack. It didn't come with directions, so I have guessed some things. If I cinch the rear strap that brings the panniers together for the backpack mode, it stabilizes the panniers while riding(not the actual backpack straps).Also, I pack soft things on the side with the backpack straps because there is no padding. As for the artwork, I just cut that part of the lining out. I use it to go to work, and I don't think my clients would appreciate it. I hope this is helpful. Oh, and I also ride an old Cannondale that doesn't have a place to attach a rack to the frame. and used to have one that attached to the seatpost, but they tend to be hard to get on and off the seatpost, and I finally got my seat to where I like it, and have secure parking.Otherwise I would have gotten regular panniers and a rack.

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    I have one

    I just got one and so far so good.

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    Just discovered those the other day on a bike blog... very interesting...

    klisciousp, how is it working now that you've got a month plus with it? Any comments on the weather resistance? Any mishaps?

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    works great

    I've been using it daily since I got it. I commute to work 4x week and no mishaps. I've hit a couple of potholes and checked it afterwords. No problem. It appears the weight keeps it in place. Balance is fine too. I've taken it on a couple of recreational rides after work and I barely notice.Water resistance is fine. The material feels rubberized on the interior, so no problems with a few showers. It has a rain cover that's easily accesbile and easy to put on. Overall, I'd say it's a pretty great product. One thing I really like is when I get to where I'm going it stays rigid, making it easier to stay organized.

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    sweet... I've got a local distributor bringing in one of the NEAT ones for me to look at (the garment baggish ones)

    Have you used the laptop sleeve?

    Also, can the internal rack come off if one wants to use it on a bike that already has a rack?

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    That's pretty clever. Some cats are asking why you don't just by a rack an trad panniers. Well, for $150 complete, this system is a bargain.

    The description says that it turns into a backpack as well. That is sweet.

    I like the geometry that appears to give better heal clearance than typical panniers.

    Looking forward to reading more reviews on this one!
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    still working great

    I've only used the laptop bag for paper files, but it's separate opening makes it a lot easier to access and keep organized. The internal rack does come out, so theoretically it could be put on a traditional rack, but there are no real points to secure it.

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    Stabilize and more

    Quote Originally Posted by klisciousp View Post
    So far it seems to be working well. It takes some time to get used to, and I wouldn't use it as a serious backpack. It didn't come with directions, so I have guessed some things. If I cinch the rear strap that brings the panniers together for the backpack mode, it stabilizes the panniers while riding(not the actual backpack straps).Also, I pack soft things on the side with the backpack straps because there is no padding. As for the artwork, I just cut that part of the lining out. I use it to go to work, and I don't think my clients would appreciate it. I hope this is helpful. Oh, and I also ride an old Cannondale that doesn't have a place to attach a rack to the frame. and used to have one that attached to the seatpost, but they tend to be hard to get on and off the seatpost, and I finally got my seat to where I like it, and have secure parking.Otherwise I would have gotten regular panniers and a rack.
    Hi, Klisciousp,
    I jus received my Boxer rackless and I have a couple of concerns:
    1.- The fastening system for the frame attachements doesn't work at all. It is made of plastic. A sort of endless screw (I don't know how is it called in English) that tights a plastic band. As you can guess, it doesn't make enough pressure to stay in its place, So, I will go to the warehouse tomorrow and get a metalic set.
    2.- How you say that you stabilize the bags? It seems to move sidewards and that it will hit the wheel as soon as I star riding. They should have out a piece that would fasten the "free" part of the bag to avoid it to move too widely.

    I am not very happy with it. I would appreciate any light at the end of the tunnel.

    http://www.discountbicycles.co.uk/bi...5693&xSec=4089

    Regards.

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    My frame attachments do move around, but once the bag is in place it holds firm(It seems to make it easier to put the bag on. AS for the bag moving around, I've found I do't need to fasten the loose part of the bag anymore. Until I got used to it, it felt like it was going to hit the tire. I guess it just took some time to adjust and get used to it. I still use it everyday and have had no problems.

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    At my lbs one can buy a rack for $29 and two nice secure panniers for under $100. Plus tax. $135 ish...not long enough for a gament bag though.
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    Well it does offer that rack free look/feel when you want to take your road bike on a group ride but also want to be able to commute with it. Looks to have alot of heel clearance which someone mentioned which would be great. Even with the setback on my axiom rack my ortliebs can still cause heel clearance on my road bike.
    Only problem I see is where to you put any lights if one wanted to use them?

    *grumble* how did I miss this ealier I just got a rack for my road bike and I think I'd rather have this.

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    I just purchased the Neat Dog garment version, and it really looks well thought out. Except for one thing. I can't for the life of me figure out how to fold my biz casual clothes to put them in, for the simple reason that the bag is too narrow to accommodate a hanger. It's long enough, and thick enough, but how are folks using this version actually putting their shirts in?
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    Racks are strong, cheap, and versatile. I've got regular and grocery panniers, and I often wind up using the top of the rack as well, with a rack strap, to tie something down that doesn't fit into the panniers.

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