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Old 11-02-08, 06:14 PM   #1
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Muirwoods 29er evolution (many pics)

I'm continuing to update this thread as I do new stuff to this bike. This weekend (February 2010) I rebuilt it as a monster crosser. See post 51 for details and the 5.0 picture in this post for a quick glimpse.


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I just finished the latest round of upgrades to my Marin Muirwoods 29er and thought I'd post a series of pics showing the progression.

The original state:



Version 2.0 (May 2008):



Version 3.0 (November 2008):



Version 4.0 (February 2009):



Version 5.0 (February 2010):




The biggest 3.0 upgrade was from this:



to this (front and rear):



Better lighting? No, Avid BB5 to Avid BB7. I also upgraded the brake levers from "3 finger alloy" (i.e. something so cheap no one was even willing to put their name on it) to Avid Speed Dial SLs. The silver brake levers kind of spoil the Muirwoods' stealth color scheme, but I already had a few patches of silver, and I got the SLs for $6 cheaper than I was able to find the blackish Speed Dial 7's. So, while I'm not a weight weenie, if I can save $6 while also shaving 25 grams or so, I'll take it.



I probably should have changed the brake levers before also changing the brakes. That way I'd be able to say for sure how much each one accounted for the difference in feel. The difference in feel is amazing.

Other 3.0 upgrades included a move to the Specialized Avatar saddle:



and Profile Designs Boxer bar ends with Lizard Skins bar end grips.



The web descriptions I found of the Lizard Skins grips say "cut to fit", but they fit the Boxers with no trimming required. When I put the bar ends on, I had to find a new position for my Mountain Mirrycle mirror, but that's working out pretty well.

Details on more recent updates below (because Bike Forums didn't like more than 10 pics in a post).

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I just finished the latest round of upgrades to my Marin Muirwoods 29er and thought I'd post a series of pics showing the progression.

The original state:



Version 2.0:



And as of this afternoon:



The biggest recent upgrade was from this:



to this (front and rear):



Better lighting? No, Avid BB5 to Avid BB7. I also upgraded the brake levers from "3 finger alloy" (i.e. something so cheap no one was even willing to put their name on it) to Avid Speed Dial SLs. The silver brake levers kind of spoil the Muirwoods' stealth color scheme, but I already had a few patches of silver, and I got the SLs for $6 cheaper than I was able to find the blackish Speed Dial 7's. So, while I'm not a weight weenie, if I can save $6 while also shaving 25 grams or so, I'll take it.



I probably should have changed the brake levers before also changing the brakes. That way I'd be able to say for sure how much each one accounted for the difference in feel. So far, I've only taken it out on a brief test ride, but the difference in feel is amazing.

Other recent upgrades include a move to the Specialized Avatar saddle:



and Profile Designs Boxer bar ends with Lizard Skins bar end grips.



The web descriptions I found of the Lizard Skins grips say "cut to fit", but they fit the Boxers with no trimming required. When I put the bar ends on, I had to find a new position for my Mountain Mirrycle mirror, but that's working out pretty well.
I rather have some shiney bits tha might reflect so a cager can see me then be all black and a grease spot on the road. I really wish Maufacturers would go back to the bright neon schemes of the '80s.
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At what point does a "29er" become a regular 700c bike?
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At what point does a "29er" become a regular 700c bike?
Well above the tire size this one has. It's obviously not "really" a 29er. It came with 29x1.6 tires (42mm). I would say you need more than 2 inches to call it a 29er. Knobby tread would help too. I think Marin calls it an "urban 29er". Don't you love marketing?

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Well below the tire size this one has. It's obviously not "really" a 29er. It came with 29x1.6 tires (42mm). I would say you need more than 2 inches to call it a 29er. Knobby tread would help too. I think Marin calls it an "urban 29er". Don't you love marketing?

LOL - that's exactly what I was thinking! I really hate the 29er name. I mean, as a nickname it's fine but it's sorta become an "official" name. Then they come in and call a plain old (albeit nice - don't get me wrong, I ride a Marin MTB frankenstein'd into a commuter) 700c commuter bike a 29er......anyhow, enough of my ranting. Don't want to sound like I don't like your bike - I do.
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I rather have some shiney bits tha might reflect so a cager can see me then be all black and a grease spot on the road. I really wish Maufacturers would go back to the bright neon schemes of the '80s.
Yeah, but when I'm wearing my hi-vis yellow jacket and safety orange helmet at night the all-black bike makes me look like I'm floating.
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You have good taste in bikes. Very nice.

I was wondering how much bigger is that tire than my touring bike wheel that 700c? Is a 29' inch wheel bigger than lets say a Surly Cross Check?
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I'd say the distinction refers loosely to how much rubber the frame can clear. Greater thn 48mm or so and it's a 29er. My cyclocross bike isn't a 29er, and my friend's Specialized Transition TT bike definately isn't, but my Redline d660 is for sure.
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How exactly did you mount the rack? I can't see braze-ons on the seat stay in the first picture. Did you use clips?
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How exactly did you mount the rack? I can't see braze-ons on the seat stay in the first picture. Did you use clips?
The seat stays have braze-ons, as does the fork incidentally, but the bolts aren't in on the marketing picture -- part of the stealth color scheme I suppose. So, it was a very straightforward braze-on mount.
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I'd say the distinction refers loosely to how much rubber the frame can clear. Greater thn 48mm or so and it's a 29er. My cyclocross bike isn't a 29er, and my friend's Specialized Transition TT bike definately isn't, but my Redline d660 is for sure.
The tires are 622-42. Fairly wide by normal 700c road standards, I guess. I like them a lot. At about 50 psi, they provide a pretty soft ride.
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I'd say the distinction refers loosely to how much rubber the frame can clear. Greater thn 48mm or so and it's a 29er. My cyclocross bike isn't a 29er, and my friend's Specialized Transition TT bike definately isn't, but my Redline d660 is for sure.
By that measure, I suppose this bike justifies the 29er label. With the 29x1.6 tires, there is a lot of room left over. But notice that Continental is playing along with a very visible "29 inch" splash of yellow text on the tires.
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gnarly. i like it.
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I was wondering how much bigger is that tire than my touring bike wheel that 700c? Is a 29' inch wheel bigger than lets say a Surly Cross Check?
No. They're exactly the same. It's simply a marketing thing. And no offense to anyone but it's just silly for anybody other than a bicycle marketer to even try to defend it as anything else. All it is is a fatty 700c tire.

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I'd say the distinction refers loosely to how much rubber the frame can clear. Greater thn 48mm or so and it's a 29er. My cyclocross bike isn't a 29er, and my friend's Specialized Transition TT bike definately isn't, but my Redline d660 is for sure.
By that measure a 700c Rivendell Atlantis is a "29er". Please......

Like Andy says, Continental is playing along with the marketing game. It's a city tire in a pretty normal - if on the largish side - cyclocross size. It's just marketing folks! You can tell Andy's smart enough to know it's just a 700c bike built to take a fairly fat tire but marketed in that way to people know just enough to know the 29er buzz word. Put down a nice bike labeled "700c" that'll take nice fat tires next to a less-nice bike labeled "29er" that'll take the exact same tire and 8 out of 10 BF members would take the 29er.

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I agree GV27. It's basically a 700c mountain bike. I have a Orbea 29er and mounted my cyclocross tires on it. Does that now make it a cyclocross bike? My cyclocross bike has 700c wheels but can't take the 2.3 Big Apples that I mount from time-to-time on the 29er. Wish I had rack mounts on that bike, it'd be a blast to take on a commute. Granted, much, much slower.

Edit: Andy, love your bike. That thing looks bulletproof. Bet it'd be great on a tour.
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The funny thing is, I almost didn't get it because it was a "29er". At the time I saw it, I didn't know that 29er = 700c, and I was worried that I wouldn't be able to get non-knobby replacement tires. Every search I did for 29er tires was bringing back big knobby monsters, and the Continental site didn't list the Town Ride that came on this bike. It was only after I figured out that 29er was just a marketing label that I felt sure this was the right bike for my purposes.
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and Profile Designs Boxer bar ends with Lizard Skins bar end grips.

I've been thinking about making a similar upgrade to my bike.

Nice ride!!!
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The Feburary 2009 (4.0) upgrades included a completely new drive train:







I know, it's probably a bit gratuitous for this frame, but I found some good deals.

I also upgraded the head light (NiteRider Classic Select) and the shifters:





(If Wall-E had been a bike....)

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Nice bike. Good upgrades. Now buy a clamp to go on the seat post to straighten out the rack mounts No offense, but to me aesthetically they just scream out.
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The Feburary 2009 (4.0) upgrades included a completely new drive train:







I know, it's probably a bit gratuitous for this frame, but I found some good deals.

I also upgraded the head light (NiteRider Classic Select) and the shifters:





(If Wall-E had been a bike....)

I like. A lot!!!

I totally agree about Wall-E.
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Nice. I ordered one a month ago, but before it arrived I became smitten with a Giant Seek1. In the end, I had to scratch my IGH itch.

I went with those small ergo bar ends for aesthetics, but find that I really miss having a Mirrycle. Seeing your rig, I am thinking about switching bar ends. Thanks for the pics.
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Nice bike. Good upgrades. Now buy a clamp to go on the seat post to straighten out the rack mounts No offense, but to me aesthetically they just scream out.
You know, that bugs me too whenever I look at the pictures, but for some reasons I don't notice it looking at the actual bike, so I've never gotten around to fixing it.
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You know, that bugs me too whenever I look at the pictures, but for some reasons I don't notice it looking at the actual bike, so I've never gotten around to fixing it.

All's good Great job on the bike. Just that drew my eye straight to it.. I have a 29'er also, it was an issue for me on mine also.
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My LBS is tempting me with one of these. If I were to replace my hybrid this would probably be it.
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What brand/model of fenders are those? I have the same bike. So far, i dig it, but I need to make it more commute friendly. I figure the fenders would be a good place to start.

Maybe next will be a suspension seatpost, or a fatter butt. The seat doesn't do much for me.
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