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Hey all,
Just a brief introduction, I live in michigan in ann arbor (U-M) where i work and I've always depended on my bike to get me around town. Well my bike (an old trek 700 i think) is starting to wear out since it's almost 10 years old. I use the bike as general purpose, getting to work, running errands, biking to softball games, and general riding.
https://webuser.bus.umich.edu/tle/bike.jpg
The only thing i have on it extra are the aero-bars that i use to give myself better aero-dynamics.
I don't use it offroad unless neccesary, but I do need sturdiness for sidewalks and curbs and such.
So I am most likely going to stick with a mountain bike, but i had some questions i was wondering if you could help me answer.
My budget will be most likely under $500 and ideally under 400, so i had a few concerns that I'm just not sure about.
1. The aero bars i have are basicly bar ends that meet in an inverted 'V' in the middle, and for me, I really like the positions they give me to ride, where i can crouch down out of the wind. Is there anything else that might work better then those for me?
2. Shocks: If i don't ride offroad and i want as much road performance as possible should I avoid shocks?
(front fork or rear shocks or even seat).
3. How much are toe clips and are they worth the investment? I've shyed away from them in the past because I wonder how I would be able to get out of them but one friend I have says it's no problem at all to use them. Would I need special shoes or are there ones that work with normal shoes that I would wear.
4. Any particular brands of bikes good? The only ones I know of are mostly mainstream and that is probably all I can really afford anyway, Trek, Giant etc. come to mind.
5. Would it be worth it to get non-nobby tires, and are all mountain bikes geared the same? I sometimes find I am at the highest gear combo on my bike but my legs still have a bit more to give.
6. If my budget allows one thing I always wanted was a bike computer, mainly for speedometer and odometer readings, what are some good simple ones that you might suggest?
Thanks in advance,
Moomin
Just a brief introduction, I live in michigan in ann arbor (U-M) where i work and I've always depended on my bike to get me around town. Well my bike (an old trek 700 i think) is starting to wear out since it's almost 10 years old. I use the bike as general purpose, getting to work, running errands, biking to softball games, and general riding.
https://webuser.bus.umich.edu/tle/bike.jpg
The only thing i have on it extra are the aero-bars that i use to give myself better aero-dynamics.
I don't use it offroad unless neccesary, but I do need sturdiness for sidewalks and curbs and such.
So I am most likely going to stick with a mountain bike, but i had some questions i was wondering if you could help me answer.
My budget will be most likely under $500 and ideally under 400, so i had a few concerns that I'm just not sure about.
1. The aero bars i have are basicly bar ends that meet in an inverted 'V' in the middle, and for me, I really like the positions they give me to ride, where i can crouch down out of the wind. Is there anything else that might work better then those for me?
2. Shocks: If i don't ride offroad and i want as much road performance as possible should I avoid shocks?
(front fork or rear shocks or even seat).
3. How much are toe clips and are they worth the investment? I've shyed away from them in the past because I wonder how I would be able to get out of them but one friend I have says it's no problem at all to use them. Would I need special shoes or are there ones that work with normal shoes that I would wear.
4. Any particular brands of bikes good? The only ones I know of are mostly mainstream and that is probably all I can really afford anyway, Trek, Giant etc. come to mind.
5. Would it be worth it to get non-nobby tires, and are all mountain bikes geared the same? I sometimes find I am at the highest gear combo on my bike but my legs still have a bit more to give.
6. If my budget allows one thing I always wanted was a bike computer, mainly for speedometer and odometer readings, what are some good simple ones that you might suggest?
Thanks in advance,
Moomin
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Originally Posted by Moomins
Just a brief introduction, I live in michigan in ann arbor (U-M) where i work and I've always depended on my bike to get me around town. Well my bike (an old trek 700 i think) is starting to wear out since it's almost 10 years old. I use the bike as general purpose, getting to work, running errands, biking to softball games, and general riding.
Originally Posted by Moomins
The only thing i have on it extra are the aero-bars that i use to give myself better aero-dynamics.
I don't use it offroad unless neccesary, but I do need sturdiness for sidewalks and curbs and such.
So I am most likely going to stick with a mountain bike, but i had some questions i was wondering if you could help me answer.
I don't use it offroad unless neccesary, but I do need sturdiness for sidewalks and curbs and such.
So I am most likely going to stick with a mountain bike, but i had some questions i was wondering if you could help me answer.
Originally Posted by Moomins
My budget will be most likely under $500 and ideally under 400, so i had a few concerns that I'm just not sure about.
1. The aero bars i have are basicly bar ends that meet in an inverted 'V' in the middle, and for me, I really like the positions they give me to ride, where i can crouch down out of the wind. Is there anything else that might work better then those for me?
1. The aero bars i have are basicly bar ends that meet in an inverted 'V' in the middle, and for me, I really like the positions they give me to ride, where i can crouch down out of the wind. Is there anything else that might work better then those for me?
Originally Posted by Moomins
2. Shocks: If i don't ride offroad and i want as much road performance as possible should I avoid shocks?
(front fork or rear shocks or even seat).
(front fork or rear shocks or even seat).
Originally Posted by Moomins
3. How much are toe clips and are they worth the investment? I've shyed away from them in the past because I wonder how I would be able to get out of them but one friend I have says it's no problem at all to use them. Would I need special shoes or are there ones that work with normal shoes that I would wear.
Originally Posted by Moomins
4. Any particular brands of bikes good? The only ones I know of are mostly mainstream and that is probably all I can really afford anyway, Trek, Giant etc. come to mind.
Originally Posted by Moomins
5. Would it be worth it to get non-nobby tires, and are all mountain bikes geared the same? I sometimes find I am at the highest gear combo on my bike but my legs still have a bit more to give.
Originally Posted by Moomins
6. If my budget allows one thing I always wanted was a bike computer, mainly for speedometer and odometer readings, what are some good simple ones that you might suggest?
I still end up in Ann Arbor quite often because my current employer maintains an office there (we're a "spinoff" from Merit/UMich) so maybe I'll see you on the road... assuming I ever am able to save up enough for my travel bike. Good luck and good hunting!
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Originally Posted by Moomins
Hey all,
Just a brief introduction, I live in michigan in ann arbor (U-M) where i work and I've always depended on my bike to get me around town. Well my bike (an old trek 700 i think) is starting to wear out since it's almost 10 years old. I use the bike as general purpose, getting to work, running errands, biking to softball games, and general riding.
Just a brief introduction, I live in michigan in ann arbor (U-M) where i work and I've always depended on my bike to get me around town. Well my bike (an old trek 700 i think) is starting to wear out since it's almost 10 years old. I use the bike as general purpose, getting to work, running errands, biking to softball games, and general riding.
Specialized Sirrus
This is essentiall a flat-bar road bike. You get the fast rolling 700c road wheels, a lightweight frame and components with a flat bar mountain bike position essentially. Throw on some bar ends for more hand positions. These are definately an on-road machine but with some cross-tires they make decent cross bikes.
Gary Fisher Dualsport 129/229
These are 29" wheeled bikes so you get the speed of a larger diameter 700c wheel with the tire clearance of a mountain bike. The frame is more mountain bike than road bike as is the component set. These work really well on and off the road. You get suspension with the Dualsport which may or may not be something you want. I think the for may have a lockout for extended road rides if you don't want to have much bob.
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Hi Moomins,
I used to commute from Ypsilanti to Ann Arbor when I worked at the University (1991-1995). Now I'm a commuter in Ames, Iowa. Both towns have similar weather--maybe a bit colder in Iowa.
Anyway, Marin has a line of bikes they refer to as Urban bikes. I have seen them at my local bike shop and they are very nicely spec'ed with good components and none of the frills on the low cost models that are just likely to break or cause service problems. Here is a link to one that retails for $420, you should be able to get it for less.
https://www.marinbikes.com/html/spec_04_muirwoods.html
I used to commute from Ypsilanti to Ann Arbor when I worked at the University (1991-1995). Now I'm a commuter in Ames, Iowa. Both towns have similar weather--maybe a bit colder in Iowa.
Anyway, Marin has a line of bikes they refer to as Urban bikes. I have seen them at my local bike shop and they are very nicely spec'ed with good components and none of the frills on the low cost models that are just likely to break or cause service problems. Here is a link to one that retails for $420, you should be able to get it for less.
https://www.marinbikes.com/html/spec_04_muirwoods.html
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"6. If my budget allows one thing I always wanted was a bike computer, mainly for speedometer and odometer readings, what are some good simple ones that you might suggest?"
I'm fairly useless as far as the rest of the questions, but this one I got. For $12.93 from www.reioutlet.com you can get the sigmasport BC800. It has:
Current speed
Average speed
Max speed
Trip time
Trip distance
Total distance
Clock
Capability to set 2 different wheel sizes so that you can use it on two different bikes without having to reprogram the wheel size (you'll obviously need a 2nd mount/sensor on the other bike though).
I've had it for about 2 months now, it's been through february and march in minnesota so you know it has to be somewhat durable. I'd recommend it. Oh, and you certainly can't beat the price.
I'm fairly useless as far as the rest of the questions, but this one I got. For $12.93 from www.reioutlet.com you can get the sigmasport BC800. It has:
Current speed
Average speed
Max speed
Trip time
Trip distance
Total distance
Clock
Capability to set 2 different wheel sizes so that you can use it on two different bikes without having to reprogram the wheel size (you'll obviously need a 2nd mount/sensor on the other bike though).
I've had it for about 2 months now, it's been through february and march in minnesota so you know it has to be somewhat durable. I'd recommend it. Oh, and you certainly can't beat the price.
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My 0,02 euros:
Make sure it is the old stock Sigma BC800. The new, current model (ingeniously carrying the same model number) has a redesigned hookup to bars and only 1 wheel size. I had the old model and two wireless setups for my two bikes. The comp died, and as a result I had to change everything. For some reason the old model is difficult to come by where I live. It was a nice comp and served me well, but I changed to VDO. I did not like the idea of being pushed to buy another complete setup for two bikes from Sigma within relatively short period of time.
Re: clipless. You can get combo pedals, one side of the pedal is platform and the other has the clipless mount. That way you do not have to wear special shoes every time you ride the bike. If you ride all year round this may also save you some money, as you do not have to buy riding shoes for all weather conditions. Problem with combo pedals is the pedal will always have the wrong side up when you start from e.g. traffic light .
Shocks: methinks a good rigid bike is better than one with a cheap set of springs. Less hassle.
Tyres: by all means change to something smoother. You will enjoy the ride more.
--J
Originally Posted by propagandrew
For $12.93 from www.reioutlet.com you can get the sigmasport BC800. It has:
<clip>
Capability to set 2 different wheel sizes so that you can use it on two different bikes without having to reprogram the wheel size (you'll obviously need a 2nd mount/sensor on the other bike though).
<clip>
Capability to set 2 different wheel sizes so that you can use it on two different bikes without having to reprogram the wheel size (you'll obviously need a 2nd mount/sensor on the other bike though).
Re: clipless. You can get combo pedals, one side of the pedal is platform and the other has the clipless mount. That way you do not have to wear special shoes every time you ride the bike. If you ride all year round this may also save you some money, as you do not have to buy riding shoes for all weather conditions. Problem with combo pedals is the pedal will always have the wrong side up when you start from e.g. traffic light .
Shocks: methinks a good rigid bike is better than one with a cheap set of springs. Less hassle.
Tyres: by all means change to something smoother. You will enjoy the ride more.
--J
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Hey just an update, i made a webpage with links to all the bikes i'm currently considering.
https://webuser.bus.umich.edu/tle/bike.html
Links to the page at the local bike shop are there too, I went to the Trek shop yesterday, but I haven't gotten to the Giant/Specialized/Cannondale yet.
Pricewise i really can't go over $800 and that's really pushing it, but I think i want the step up from entry level (carbon fork perhaps), since i do want this bike to last me for a long time without upgrading.
Not leaning towards anything until i can go to the other shop and see most of the bikes on the list and see if they have anything better then list prices on stuff.
Thanks again for the suggestions and recommendations and help, I feel like i need to do so much research on this so i don't screw it up!
https://webuser.bus.umich.edu/tle/bike.html
Links to the page at the local bike shop are there too, I went to the Trek shop yesterday, but I haven't gotten to the Giant/Specialized/Cannondale yet.
Pricewise i really can't go over $800 and that's really pushing it, but I think i want the step up from entry level (carbon fork perhaps), since i do want this bike to last me for a long time without upgrading.
Not leaning towards anything until i can go to the other shop and see most of the bikes on the list and see if they have anything better then list prices on stuff.
Thanks again for the suggestions and recommendations and help, I feel like i need to do so much research on this so i don't screw it up!
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If you're looking for a commuter, my suggestion would be a steel bike, rather than Aluminum. I didn't catch any on your list.
The 2003 KHS Flite 300 might work, if it fits (Reynolds 520 steel and about $500)
The 2003 KHS Flite 300 might work, if it fits (Reynolds 520 steel and about $500)
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Originally Posted by Moomins
Hey just an update, i made a webpage with links to all the bikes i'm currently considering.
https://webuser.bus.umich.edu/tle/bike.html
Links to the page at the local bike shop are there too, I went to the Trek shop yesterday, but I haven't gotten to the Giant/Specialized/Cannondale yet.
Pricewise i really can't go over $800 and that's really pushing it, but I think i want the step up from entry level (carbon fork perhaps), since i do want this bike to last me for a long time without upgrading.
Not leaning towards anything until i can go to the other shop and see most of the bikes on the list and see if they have anything better then list prices on stuff.
https://webuser.bus.umich.edu/tle/bike.html
Links to the page at the local bike shop are there too, I went to the Trek shop yesterday, but I haven't gotten to the Giant/Specialized/Cannondale yet.
Pricewise i really can't go over $800 and that's really pushing it, but I think i want the step up from entry level (carbon fork perhaps), since i do want this bike to last me for a long time without upgrading.
Not leaning towards anything until i can go to the other shop and see most of the bikes on the list and see if they have anything better then list prices on stuff.
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Just got back from the bike shop, most of the shops around here have very little selectionwise, TWT has the treks (and lemonds) but GLC has specialized, giant, cannondale, and fuji.
I test road the Specialized Sirrus Elite (they didn't have the sport) and it was very very nice. I also tested a cannondale R400 Sport 2003 that was on sale for 680, the first real road bike i've ridden since 1994 (i had a Peugeot "Marseilles that i bent the frame in a crash).
A couple of things struck me.
First, wow bikes are light these days.
Tons lighter then hefting around my Trek 830 mountainbike.
Second, the shifting is very very different then what I'm used to. I last used the old
levers on my peugeot and then had the wrist twist shifters on my trek mtb.
Now the shifting and brakes are combined, not only in the flat bar sirrus but also on the road bikes i looked at, with the brake handle actually being one of the shifting directions. Do you accidently brake while trying to shift, or is this something i'll just get used to? (just like i did to twist/grip shifting).
Also it seems that you can't shift from the forward tuck position on the road bikes since you have to be 'on the hood' to reach the one shift position with your right hand, is that something else that's commonplace now?
After taking the ride on the R400 sport i realized that it might not have as much maneuverability as I'd like so i might have to stick with a flat bar bike and use a bar end/aerobar solution like on my current bike. Sorta hoping my current bar will fit on the new bike if i get a Sirrus.
Man I'd actually be almost totally in love with the sirrus if it came in something other then orange!!!!
I test road the Specialized Sirrus Elite (they didn't have the sport) and it was very very nice. I also tested a cannondale R400 Sport 2003 that was on sale for 680, the first real road bike i've ridden since 1994 (i had a Peugeot "Marseilles that i bent the frame in a crash).
A couple of things struck me.
First, wow bikes are light these days.
Tons lighter then hefting around my Trek 830 mountainbike.
Second, the shifting is very very different then what I'm used to. I last used the old
levers on my peugeot and then had the wrist twist shifters on my trek mtb.
Now the shifting and brakes are combined, not only in the flat bar sirrus but also on the road bikes i looked at, with the brake handle actually being one of the shifting directions. Do you accidently brake while trying to shift, or is this something i'll just get used to? (just like i did to twist/grip shifting).
Also it seems that you can't shift from the forward tuck position on the road bikes since you have to be 'on the hood' to reach the one shift position with your right hand, is that something else that's commonplace now?
After taking the ride on the R400 sport i realized that it might not have as much maneuverability as I'd like so i might have to stick with a flat bar bike and use a bar end/aerobar solution like on my current bike. Sorta hoping my current bar will fit on the new bike if i get a Sirrus.
Man I'd actually be almost totally in love with the sirrus if it came in something other then orange!!!!
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Originally Posted by Moomins
A couple of things struck me.
First, wow bikes are light these days.
Tons lighter then hefting around my Trek 830 mountainbike.
First, wow bikes are light these days.
Tons lighter then hefting around my Trek 830 mountainbike.
Originally Posted by Moomins
Second, the shifting is very very different then what I'm used to. I last used the old
levers on my peugeot and then had the wrist twist shifters on my trek mtb.
Now the shifting and brakes are combined, not only in the flat bar sirrus but also on the road bikes i looked at, with the brake handle actually being one of the shifting directions. Do you accidently brake while trying to shift, or is this something i'll just get used to? (just like i did to twist/grip shifting).
levers on my peugeot and then had the wrist twist shifters on my trek mtb.
Now the shifting and brakes are combined, not only in the flat bar sirrus but also on the road bikes i looked at, with the brake handle actually being one of the shifting directions. Do you accidently brake while trying to shift, or is this something i'll just get used to? (just like i did to twist/grip shifting).
Originally Posted by Moomins
Also it seems that you can't shift from the forward tuck position on the road bikes since you have to be 'on the hood' to reach the one shift position with your right hand, is that something else that's commonplace now?
Originally Posted by Moomins
After taking the ride on the R400 sport i realized that it might not have as much maneuverability as I'd like so i might have to stick with a flat bar bike and use a bar end/aerobar solution like on my current bike. Sorta hoping my current bar will fit on the new bike if i get a Sirrus.
Originally Posted by Moomins
Man I'd actually be almost totally in love with the sirrus if it came in something other then orange!!!!
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They actually didn't even have a Sirrus sport in the shop at all, I would have liked to compare it to the elite to see if i would miss the carbon fork, which seems to be one feature i'm going to try to get even if i have to save up another month to make the bike purchase.
The plain sirrus looks sharp but is missing the carbon fork AND the front cog is only 48 max which means i could run out of gears like I do on my mtb right now.
I'm still wondering if I do just want a road bike they had some nice deals on some 2003's.
OCR-2 for 600, Allez 24 (03) 520, the R400 Sport was 680.
Another shop I saw had a Trek XO-1 2003 for 800.
Hmm one other thing maybe someone here would know, I was looking at the Sirrus Comp, (the next step up from the sport/elite) and it has clipless pedals. Does this mean i have to have special shoes to use them? Or would i be able to use them just like normal pedals if I didnt have the cleat on my shoes?
(Are they dual purpose)
The plain sirrus looks sharp but is missing the carbon fork AND the front cog is only 48 max which means i could run out of gears like I do on my mtb right now.
I'm still wondering if I do just want a road bike they had some nice deals on some 2003's.
OCR-2 for 600, Allez 24 (03) 520, the R400 Sport was 680.
Another shop I saw had a Trek XO-1 2003 for 800.
Hmm one other thing maybe someone here would know, I was looking at the Sirrus Comp, (the next step up from the sport/elite) and it has clipless pedals. Does this mean i have to have special shoes to use them? Or would i be able to use them just like normal pedals if I didnt have the cleat on my shoes?
(Are they dual purpose)
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They actually didn't even have a Sirrus sport in the shop at all, I would have liked to compare it to the elite to see if i would miss the carbon fork, which seems to be one feature i'm going to try to get even if i have to save up another month to make the bike purchase.
The plain sirrus looks sharp but is missing the carbon fork AND the front cog is only 48 max which means i could run out of gears like I do on my mtb right now.
I'm still wondering if I do just want a road bike they had some nice deals on some 2003's.
OCR-2 for 600, Allez 24 (03) 520, the R400 Sport was 680.
Another shop I saw had a Trek XO-1 2003 for 800.
Hmm one other thing maybe someone here would know, I was looking at the Sirrus Comp, (the next step up from the sport/elite) and it has clipless pedals. Does this mean i have to have special shoes to use them? Or would i be able to use them just like normal pedals if I didnt have the cleat on my shoes?
(Are they dual purpose)
The plain sirrus looks sharp but is missing the carbon fork AND the front cog is only 48 max which means i could run out of gears like I do on my mtb right now.
I'm still wondering if I do just want a road bike they had some nice deals on some 2003's.
OCR-2 for 600, Allez 24 (03) 520, the R400 Sport was 680.
Another shop I saw had a Trek XO-1 2003 for 800.
Hmm one other thing maybe someone here would know, I was looking at the Sirrus Comp, (the next step up from the sport/elite) and it has clipless pedals. Does this mean i have to have special shoes to use them? Or would i be able to use them just like normal pedals if I didnt have the cleat on my shoes?
(Are they dual purpose)
If you're looking at road bikes, make sure you test ride the Specialized Sequoia. The suspension seatpost takes up a lot of the road buzz. Many people in my club have bought them. Remember to keep the adjustment fairly tight, or you will find yourself bobbing up and down with each pedal stroke.
You can get MTB shoes with SPD or Eggbeater pedals, and still walk around town. The shop should work with you on the pedals, to get what you need.
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I think I'm going to go test ride the trek 1200 and 1200c tomorrow, now that i have a better idea of the shifting differences, (i've never had to check specific components on bikes before) but from what i saw on the R400 sport, I want to see what shifting is like with something a step up from the Sora's, and that seems to cut out a lot of the cheaper road bikes from my list. (the 2003 specials etc), and the cheaper 2004 cannondale, specialized and giant road bikes.
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Right now I did some component cuts, staying with Tiagra+ on shifters and updated my webpage worklist.
https://webuser.bus.umich.edu/tle/bike.html
I still have to go test ride the trek 1200c and 1500 (they don't have any 1200's right now but i want to see it for comparison.)
I suppose I should go test the Specialized Alllez Sport Triple too, since that seems to be about the equivalant of the trek 1200/1200c.
I might check another store and see if they have the Marin Mill Valley in,
and I'm trying to find a Cannondale 600 roadwarrior to test as well.
Both of these would compare to the Sirrus if i stay with a flatbar, but I'm leaning towards a road bike which means trek 1200/1200c or the Allez Sport triple.
https://webuser.bus.umich.edu/tle/bike.html
I still have to go test ride the trek 1200c and 1500 (they don't have any 1200's right now but i want to see it for comparison.)
I suppose I should go test the Specialized Alllez Sport Triple too, since that seems to be about the equivalant of the trek 1200/1200c.
I might check another store and see if they have the Marin Mill Valley in,
and I'm trying to find a Cannondale 600 roadwarrior to test as well.
Both of these would compare to the Sirrus if i stay with a flatbar, but I'm leaning towards a road bike which means trek 1200/1200c or the Allez Sport triple.