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Old 01-15-02, 05:01 AM
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am i a Green`y

As a continuation on environmental issues as posted in Pete`s "Horse sense".

A phrase often pointed at me in conversations and/or on chat and message forums, when I mention that my prefered form of transport is cycling. "Oh your one of those Green`y types".

My question to everyone who are like myself , do you consider yourself as a Greeny.

I personally am not sure how to answer that question.
I certainly respect everything around me , I never litter or abuse anything pertaining to my surrounds (unlike a lot of motorists).

On the other hand my perseption of a true Greeny are these people who would chain themselves to trees or lie in front of bulldozers to save something they firmly believed in.

I just could not see myself being that extremist.

Im rather interested to find out how others see themselves on this issue
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I'm 'green' to a degree I suppose.

I tend to buy recycled writing paper, but not computer paper.

I tend to recycle, but I don't always. I don't have any hang-ups about buying second-hand books, clothes, furniture etc.

I don't drive, but I'm sure that I've taken the odd non-essential taxi trip.

I'm vegetarian, but I will eat out of season/exotic produce that I know must have been flown into the UK...

I try to avoid pesticides in the garden, but if I get a particularly severe infestation...

I'm far from perfect.

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Originally posted by willic
do you consider yourself as a Greeny?

If I had the time, I would hug every tree on my ride into work.
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Originally posted by Richard D
I'm 'green' to a degree I suppose.

I tend to buy recycled writing paper, but not computer paper.

I tend to recycle, but I don't always. I don't have any hang-ups about buying second-hand books, clothes, furniture etc.

I don't drive, but I'm sure that I've taken the odd non-essential taxi trip.

I'm vegetarian, but I will eat out of season/exotic produce that I know must have been flown into the UK...

I try to avoid pesticides in the garden, but if I get a particularly severe infestation...

I'm far from perfect.

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Same here. Try to be green but wish I had the guts/wherewithal to be more so.
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I think to be a Green doesn't mean you have to be a zealot or a demonstrating fanatic about it. If you have respect for the environment, recycle, don't litter and generally avoid polluting you can legitimately be called a Green.
But even motorists subscribe to this to a certain extent so they can be Green also. As bicyclists we are more so because we contaminate the air and the roadsides less.
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It sounds as though several of you are pragmatic environmentalists, as I am. I live in a single-family home in the suburbs with my wife and two sons, own two cars and all the modern appliances, etc. What distinguishes me from some of my neighbors is that I choose to walk, bike, or ride transit and leave the car at home whenever it is reasonable to do so; I eat low on the food chain (mostly vegan, some fish and dairy); I line-dry towels, jeans, and other high-moisture items; I don't even light the furnace pilot light unless the temperature indoors falls below about 16C/61F; I recycle or reuse far more than I contribute to the landfill; I reuse grocery shopping bags (tip: doubled paper bags can survive about 50 trips); I generally use both sides of a piece of paper and often buy recycled paper products; I take care of my bikes, cars, and large appliances, and get many years of service out of each.
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I think most cyclist do what is reasonable and healthy by nature. Please allow me to shed shed some light on the other side of recycling among other things.

True example 1: at the federal gov't military base by my house they recycle diligently. this is how - they take a big 2 1/2 or 5 ton smelly truck with no emission controls(not required for govt and mil veh) that blows black smoke and drinks fuel. this truck goes building to building day in day out always running allways polluting and picks up paper and cans. a little here and a little their. factor in the cost of the four people per truck it takes to do this. Then the additional energy and resources it requires to transport and process and redistribute the "green" goods and it's a green joke.

True example 2: Our town now recycles, didn't used to. It now takes two trips and additional people with what used to be done with one truck and a 10 second stop per house. Add the additional fuel and energy and pollutants it takes to get these recyclables back to market and it's actually a negative to transport, remelt, purify, reform, package, transport again every plastic bottle.

Real progress is better than pretense. Let's consider the whole and then improve intelligently. Emissions on gov't vehicles and big trucks will do more for the enviroment than all the soda cans a million greenies can collect. I would rather look at aircraft, factories, vehicles, biodegradables and see what the 6 billion other people on the planet who have no or few restrictions can do to help.
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PS: I forgot, some of us may live or play golf on a recycled land fill and not even know it. How's that for ironic.
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I try to be as sensitive to the environment as I can considering I have to live in a large suburb of a major midwestern city. I recycle as much as possible, drive fuel-efficient cars when needed. Try and combine trips if possible and ride my bike to commute when the winter doesn't prevent it.

I find it interesting that when people refer to willic
as a "Green`y type" it is seen as a negative thing. I suppose that is as a result of the media portraying Earth-Firsters and Greenpeace folks with a negative eye and grouping all environmentalists into the same arena. So of course anyone that is trying to be the least bit environmental is automatically grouped with the more revolutionary types. It's easy for people to put everyone in a group of "like and dislike".

I would just respond with a "yes" and add that you just trying to do your part to help preserve the earth for THEIR children and yours (if you have any). Maybe then they'll stop and think before criticizing next time.
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Like your reply Bikeman!

You put into words exactly the reaction i feel when some smug , uncarring B******D makes the statement and looks at you as tho` you are some kind of freak!

It makes me real mad that a small minority of us are making a consouse effort to preserve our environmet for future generations , when the majority could`nt give a damn.

I don`t go out of my way , determined to save the planet, but at least by cycling I am happy in my own mind to be "doing my bit"

regards Willi`c
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Originally posted by John E
It sounds as though several of you are pragmatic environmentalists, as I am. I live in a single-family home in the suburbs with my wife and two sons, own two cars and all the modern appliances, etc. What distinguishes me from some of my neighbors is that I choose to walk, bike, or ride transit and leave the car at home whenever it is reasonable to do so; I eat low on the food chain (mostly vegan, some fish and dairy); I line-dry towels, jeans, and other high-moisture items; I don't even light the furnace pilot light unless the temperature indoors falls below about 16C/61F; I recycle or reuse far more than I contribute to the landfill; I reuse grocery shopping bags (tip: doubled paper bags can survive about 50 trips); I generally use both sides of a piece of paper and often buy recycled paper products; I take care of my bikes, cars, and large appliances, and get many years of service out of each.
Are you sure you're not Scottish John? LOL
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This is an interesting topic. I often get asked "are you one of those greeny freeks?" about my cycle-commuting habit. To be totally honest, I just see this as another benefit of something I'd do anyway. The real reason I ride everywhere is that I enjoy it so much. I wouldn't do it if I didn't.

I do my bit of recycling (like everyone else) and I did write letters opposing the Springbrook Cable-joyride a couple of years ago. However, it wasn't something that I needed to go to a heck of a lot of trouble to do.

The media, especially in this country, seems to have made a national pastime of 'greenie bashing'. To be honest I don't really care what people think of me anymore. If the want to see me as a greenie it's their problem, not mine.
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I'm with Chris L on this thought. I was recycling aluminum and paper before I was serious about cycling. However, it was cycling that turned me into an environmentalist, and not the other way around. I would like to clean up the trash from the roadside because the presence of trash makes my ride home less pleasant; I wouldn't want to clean it up simply because it is there. I ride my bicycle to work because I love to ride my bicycle to work; I don't ride my bike to work because I'm going to save the environment. I don't eat a lot of red meat because it isn't good for me, not because I think people shouldn't eat animals. I choose not to wear leather clothing because I don't want to spend that much money on clothing that I couldn't wear anyway because I'm cycling/sweating all the time.

I don't mind being called a "greenie," even though I know that I'm not.
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Originally posted by bikeman
I find it interesting that when people refer to willic
as a "Green`y type" it is seen as a negative thing.

..It's easy for people to put everyone in a group of "like and dislike".
The moment someone tries to put a label on you, know that they are trying to control you.

(Unless they call you, "Scottish." Wear that with pride! )
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Originally posted by willic
A phrase often pointed at me in conversations and/or on chat and message forums, when I mention that my prefered form of transport is cycling. "Oh your one of those Green`y types".
To me, calling someone a "Greenie" is like saying, "I resent that you don't have the same wasteful lifestyle I do, so I will deny my shame by putting a funny label on you."

Trust me, someday soon "Greenies" will be in, "Grungies" will be out.
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I have an interesting thought about how humans are "killing" the planet. With humans being such a fragile species, is it even possible for us to "kill" the planet? Even with the worst of pollution, the earth would recover in a relatively short amount of time, where as humans would die off very quickly once the Earth became inhabitable.

So, most likely humans will end up poisoning the enviroment just enough that life can no longer sustain itself, then the Earth will rejuvenate and other life will flourish.
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Originally posted by Steele-Bike
Even with the worst of pollution, the earth would recover in a relatively short amount of time, where as humans would die off very quickly once the Earth became inhabitable.

So, most likely humans will end up poisoning the enviroment just enough that life can no longer sustain itself, then the Earth will rejuvenate and other life will flourish.
The trouble is look at all the species we'll take with us...

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Originally posted by Steele-Bike
I have an interesting thought about how humans are "killing" the planet. With humans being such a fragile species, is it even possible for us to "kill" the planet? Even with the worst of pollution, the earth would recover in a relatively short amount of time, where as humans would die off very quickly once the Earth became inhabitable.
I'm not quite sure where this fits in. I don't particularly want to surrender my piece of dirt to ants, cockroaches and Alan Bond just yet. Although I'd probably be too dead to care.
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Originally posted by Pete Clark

To me, calling someone a "Greenie" is like saying, "I resent that you don't have the same wasteful lifestyle I do, so I will deny my shame by putting a funny label on you."

Trust me, someday soon "Greenies" will be in, "Grungies" will be out.
I'm of a mixed bag. And I'd appreciate people's opinions on this.

Because I drive a Jeep, and I do take it out off pavement, often, I get labeled as a "destroyer of the enviroment".

I can remember when a gentlemen in Big Bear yelled at me for "ruining trains meant for hikers". These were forest service roads, and too boot, we were, that weekend, cleaning up a trail that used to be a mine road, and had also been used as a dumping ground.

My friends and I, when we go out, have a habit that is catching on. We carry plastic grocery bags, that we hang out side our jeeps. On the trail, we pick up the trash that we find (and there is a lot, 90% comes from other 4wd people, and a small percentage is from hikers/bikers). So, in effect, I'm doing a service by cleaning up. We preach/teach responisble use of the trails, not creating our own trail (using established ones), clean up, and support organizations that do the same.

Yet, by thier account, buy my shere presence on the trail, I'm destroying it.

What is your point of view?
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Originally posted by William Karsten
I'm of a mixed bag. And I'd appreciate people's opinions on this.

Because I drive a Jeep, and I do take it out off pavement, often, I get labeled as a "destroyer of the enviroment".

I can remember when a gentlemen in Big Bear yelled at me for "ruining trains meant for hikers". These were forest service roads, and too boot, we were, that weekend, cleaning up a trail that used to be a mine road, and had also been used as a dumping ground.

Yet, by thier account, buy my shere presence on the trail, I'm destroying it.

What is your point of view?
My view on this matter is that one cannot generalise, as there are differing trails in differing areas. I often cycle some of the old forest service roads in Mebbin National Park near Murwillumbah. As far as I'm concerned, if the road is already there, I don't see a problem using it, as long as you're not making it any wider or larger than it already was. That goes for motorised vehicles (assuming they drive responsibly, which is another rant entirely) as well as everyone else.

However, this means that some trails (such as those I regularly walk along in Lamington NP) are for the exclusive use of walkers, and on those trails I don't expect to see anyone else (and don't even mention that stupid Segway thing).

By the way, do you really "ruin trains"?
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Originally posted by Chris L
By the way, do you really "ruin trains"?
One day, I'll learn to spell. See, you're not on the dole, so you can, I, while not on the dole, didn't go to uni, so I can not spell. Automatic two points at you!

The reason I ask is there is a big initiative here to close trails (not trains, but hey, they get subsidized) that are currently open to vehicles.
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Originally posted by William Karsten
One day, I'll learn to spell. See, you're not on the dole, so you can, I, while not on the dole, didn't go to uni, so I can not spell. Automatic two points at you!
That's OK, I won't hold it against you. One of my friends is a Liverpudlian, so you can see that I don't discriminate

Originally posted by William Karsten
The reason I ask is there is a big initiative here to close trails (not trains, but hey, they get subsidized) that are currently open to vehicles.
As I said, it depends on the trail, and I guess on the vehicle also (i.e. trucks vs bikes etc). Here in Australia we have different classifcations of trails on which different things are permitted. Personally, I think that is the fairest system.
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Originally posted by Chris L


I'm not quite sure where this fits in.
It fits right between my frequent tree hugging and my Birkenstocks. Wait a second...I think I just confused myself.
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