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03-01-09, 09:28 PM
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03-01-09, 10:37 PM
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The only video I know of that shows me riding (and my friend too) is HERE.
see dude it's all about you, isn't it. you don't to think about the fact that most drivers are terrifed of hitting a pedestrian or cyclist, and when you ride the double yellow you make everyone around you more nervous and unsafe. but that's cool, as long as you get to ride fast, right?
03-01-09, 10:59 PM
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03-01-09, 11:03 PM
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the idea is that cars don't want to hit cyclists or peds. just like some in this thread have stated they fear hitting a ped. not obeying traffic laws (to a reasonable extent) shows no respect for other people using the roads whether it's a cyclist, car or jogger and is reckless and self-centered.
it looks as though every car in your vid gave you plenty of room as well.
the idea is that cars don't want to hit cyclists or peds. just like some in this thread have stated they fear hitting a ped. not obeying traffic laws (to a reasonable extent) shows no respect for other people using the roads whether it's a cyclist, car or jogger and is reckless and self-centered.
it looks as though every car in your vid gave you plenty of room as well.
03-01-09, 11:48 PM
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...i'm not doubting your skill. running reds is one thing, but your style of riding would not be appreciated in the least in the places i've lived. not to mention that little loss of temper with the truck would've likely gotten your ***** beat. yeah he ran the stop sign, but like vince vega says in pulp fiction..."you don't f--k with another man's car, you just don't do it."...
Oh noez you touched his car prepare to get ****ed up!
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And people wonder why we dont give a **** about cagers feelings.
03-01-09, 11:51 PM
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Yeah, the light turns quickly, though I stopped at the mall for 15/20 mins... Minus the mall it's about 11 miles (11.4 ish) - with, probably only an extra mile - late January means 5/5:30 sunset, so it seems a lot later than it is.
fake edit: checking my spreadsheet it was 12.1 miles that evening ride.
03-02-09, 07:00 AM
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the idea is that cars don't want to hit cyclists or peds. just like some in this thread have stated they fear hitting a ped. not obeying traffic laws (to a reasonable extent) shows no respect for other people using the roads whether it's a cyclist, car or jogger and is reckless and self-centered.
it looks as though every car in your vid gave you plenty of room as well.
the idea is that cars don't want to hit cyclists or peds. just like some in this thread have stated they fear hitting a ped. not obeying traffic laws (to a reasonable extent) shows no respect for other people using the roads whether it's a cyclist, car or jogger and is reckless and self-centered.
it looks as though every car in your vid gave you plenty of room as well.
I ride in the right tire track when cycling, which forces people to pass in the adjacent lane. Walking on the white line doesn't elicit a similar action from drivers.
03-02-09, 07:15 AM
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and yet you whine when cagers don't respect you. vicious cycle isn't it. and before you say you don't...yes, punching a truck for rolling through a stop sign when you are oncoming is a whiny punk a** move.
like i said, ride how you want. just don't expect courtesy if you aren't willing to give some. as always it's a 2 way street, but then i don't expect guys like you to comprehend what that is.
like i said, ride how you want. just don't expect courtesy if you aren't willing to give some. as always it's a 2 way street, but then i don't expect guys like you to comprehend what that is.
03-02-09, 07:21 AM
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As someone who just took up bicycling November of last year I think I might be able to put a tad bit different perspective on this.
First; this debate is pretty much meaningless and uninteresting to anyone but bike commuters.
Second; Before purchasing my bike I took little if any notice of anyone on a bike. After I started riding it was amazing how many bikes I then did notice on the roads. Kind of like when you buy a particular make of car and then all of the sudden notice that make of car on the road every trip. This lends a lot of weight to the argument that bicyclist are basically invisible to the average motorist and making your riding style pretty much a moot point when it comes to safety.
Third; when sitting in my car at an intersection a bike passing on my left and proceding against the red on an empty intersection (probably happened more than once and I just did not take note, see second point) it did not run across my mind to brand all bicyclist as reckless and then "hate" them.
Rideing when, how and where you think is safest in acordance with your skill level is probably the key here. Do I ride like joey; of course not I have but three months experience. Do I feel more comfortable on the roads than I did three months ago? Of course. If I had the experience that joey has would I ride like he does? At times the anser would be yes. In fact no one but the nanny state advocates give it much of a second thought if that. The non bicyclist may not give it enough notice to give it any thought at all.
First; this debate is pretty much meaningless and uninteresting to anyone but bike commuters.
Second; Before purchasing my bike I took little if any notice of anyone on a bike. After I started riding it was amazing how many bikes I then did notice on the roads. Kind of like when you buy a particular make of car and then all of the sudden notice that make of car on the road every trip. This lends a lot of weight to the argument that bicyclist are basically invisible to the average motorist and making your riding style pretty much a moot point when it comes to safety.
Third; when sitting in my car at an intersection a bike passing on my left and proceding against the red on an empty intersection (probably happened more than once and I just did not take note, see second point) it did not run across my mind to brand all bicyclist as reckless and then "hate" them.
Rideing when, how and where you think is safest in acordance with your skill level is probably the key here. Do I ride like joey; of course not I have but three months experience. Do I feel more comfortable on the roads than I did three months ago? Of course. If I had the experience that joey has would I ride like he does? At times the anser would be yes. In fact no one but the nanny state advocates give it much of a second thought if that. The non bicyclist may not give it enough notice to give it any thought at all.
03-02-09, 08:01 AM
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As someone who just took up bicycling November of last year I think I might be able to put a tad bit different perspective on this.
First; this debate is pretty much meaningless and uninteresting to anyone but bike commuters.
doesn't most of what is talked about here fall into this category? i would also point out that other cyclists (not just everday commuters) that ride in cities or on any road for that matter may have an interest in this.
Second; Before purchasing my bike I took little if any notice of anyone on a bike. After I started riding it was amazing how many bikes I then did notice on the roads. Kind of like when you buy a particular make of car and then all of the sudden notice that make of car on the road every trip. This lends a lot of weight to the argument that bicyclist are basically invisible to the average motorist and making your riding style pretty much a moot point when it comes to safety.
just because you, one person, payed no attention to cyclists before owning your own bike lends no weight to anything other than the fact that you payed no attention to bikes. i don't ride a skateboard, but i sure do notice them in the city. to say that riding style doesn't affect safety is just ignorant, just like saying what kind of driver you are in a car has no impact on safety.
Third; when sitting in my car at an intersection a bike passing on my left and proceding against the red on an empty intersection (probably happened more than once and I just did not take note, see second point) it did not run across my mind to brand all bicyclist as reckless and then "hate" them.
of course not, because you are a reasonable person, which is why joey's comment about "they already hate us, we have nothing to lose" is silly. my experience has been that most just despise the guys that ride like joey.
Rideing when, how and where you think is safest in acordance with your skill level is probably the key here. Do I ride like joey; of course not I have but three months experience. Do I feel more comfortable on the roads than I did three months ago? Of course. If I had the experience that joey has would I ride like he does? At times the anser would be yes. In fact no one but the nanny state advocates give it much of a second thought if that. The non bicyclist may not give it enough notice to give it any thought at all.
since you claim this as fact, could you show supporting evidence? it's just your opinion, and many would disagree. have you ever seen a road sign that reads "share the road", with the picture of a bike on it? heading down a double yellow isn't sharing the road, it's acting as though you own it. do you really think that non cyclists don't notice this or give it a second thought?
First; this debate is pretty much meaningless and uninteresting to anyone but bike commuters.
doesn't most of what is talked about here fall into this category? i would also point out that other cyclists (not just everday commuters) that ride in cities or on any road for that matter may have an interest in this.
Second; Before purchasing my bike I took little if any notice of anyone on a bike. After I started riding it was amazing how many bikes I then did notice on the roads. Kind of like when you buy a particular make of car and then all of the sudden notice that make of car on the road every trip. This lends a lot of weight to the argument that bicyclist are basically invisible to the average motorist and making your riding style pretty much a moot point when it comes to safety.
just because you, one person, payed no attention to cyclists before owning your own bike lends no weight to anything other than the fact that you payed no attention to bikes. i don't ride a skateboard, but i sure do notice them in the city. to say that riding style doesn't affect safety is just ignorant, just like saying what kind of driver you are in a car has no impact on safety.
Third; when sitting in my car at an intersection a bike passing on my left and proceding against the red on an empty intersection (probably happened more than once and I just did not take note, see second point) it did not run across my mind to brand all bicyclist as reckless and then "hate" them.
of course not, because you are a reasonable person, which is why joey's comment about "they already hate us, we have nothing to lose" is silly. my experience has been that most just despise the guys that ride like joey.
Rideing when, how and where you think is safest in acordance with your skill level is probably the key here. Do I ride like joey; of course not I have but three months experience. Do I feel more comfortable on the roads than I did three months ago? Of course. If I had the experience that joey has would I ride like he does? At times the anser would be yes. In fact no one but the nanny state advocates give it much of a second thought if that. The non bicyclist may not give it enough notice to give it any thought at all.
since you claim this as fact, could you show supporting evidence? it's just your opinion, and many would disagree. have you ever seen a road sign that reads "share the road", with the picture of a bike on it? heading down a double yellow isn't sharing the road, it's acting as though you own it. do you really think that non cyclists don't notice this or give it a second thought?
03-02-09, 08:10 AM
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Who's this "we" you're trying to pretend exists?
03-02-09, 08:40 AM
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On the topic of riding down the center yellow line, haven't we all been passed by people driving on/slightly over the double yellow with opposing traffic coming?
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It is true that what I stated in this thread is opinion based on my own personal experience most every reply here is just that also.
AS to my second point here is something that might be interesting to try. Get a few non bicyclist friends together and drive a specific route. Tell the first friend nothing just have him drive. At the end of the trip ask him how many bicyclist he saw. Likely response will be one or two and those were the ones right in front of him that he had to overtake.
Have the second friend drive the same rout but to take note of every bike he sees. At the end of that trip the number will likely be much higher.
This is why IMO bicyclist are basically invisible to the average motorist and following the letter of the law can put you in just as much and in some cases more danger as not. Safety advocacy is fine but unfortunately this advocacy often becomes more about control than it does safety.
AS to my second point here is something that might be interesting to try. Get a few non bicyclist friends together and drive a specific route. Tell the first friend nothing just have him drive. At the end of the trip ask him how many bicyclist he saw. Likely response will be one or two and those were the ones right in front of him that he had to overtake.
Have the second friend drive the same rout but to take note of every bike he sees. At the end of that trip the number will likely be much higher.
This is why IMO bicyclist are basically invisible to the average motorist and following the letter of the law can put you in just as much and in some cases more danger as not. Safety advocacy is fine but unfortunately this advocacy often becomes more about control than it does safety.
03-02-09, 08:44 AM
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03-02-09, 08:45 AM
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If this is true (and it may or may not be), then why is this so? Joey's style is tailored to staying out of the way of cars as much as possible. Wouldn't that be a good thing for motorists? Why the hate?
03-02-09, 08:47 AM
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that results of an experiment like that wouldn't mean anything. you could do the same thing with "white trucks". the second driver would obviously notice more, but that doesn't mean that "white trucks" are basically invisible to drivers.
that results of an experiment like that wouldn't mean anything. you could do the same thing with "white trucks". the second driver would obviously notice more, but that doesn't mean that "white trucks" are basically invisible to drivers.
03-02-09, 08:51 AM
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Joey: Your videos are pretty entertaining. Personally I enjoy them without judgement. But you have gotten me to shake my head and whistle more than once. 
03-02-09, 08:53 AM
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I never run the lights as I always seem to see atleast 1 cop on my 2.5mi commute. All the lights have cameras and the roads are to fast and jammed with people going too fast to make anything slightly daring. Heck, I have even been pulled over by one for no reason and no ticket and it was a stupid waste of time that he wanted to check my I.D. with no probable cause unless riding a bike is?
To me the pull me over for no reason yet it takes them over an hour to respond to an accident that I was in where I in my car got mauled off the road and my car completely totalled badly. Luckily I didn't have anyone in the back seat. Yeah I have a sour taste for them around here.
To me the pull me over for no reason yet it takes them over an hour to respond to an accident that I was in where I in my car got mauled off the road and my car completely totalled badly. Luckily I didn't have anyone in the back seat. Yeah I have a sour taste for them around here.
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03-02-09, 08:55 AM
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joey's style is tailored to allowing him to ride with the least amount of interference. in other words fast. he calls himself the "20mph commuter" not the "riding safely out of the way of cars commuter". his riding style is self-centered, and he tries to justify it by arrogantly claiming that it's safer for everyone because he's staying out of others' way
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