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    How do you commute?

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    I really need some help! Im a designer student whos going to develop a new kind of transporting "thing" for commuters on bike.
    Im a commuter on bike my self but not a adict in bicycles.
    Where do you guys place your stuff on the bike. Is it a basket or waggon or bag or some home made?

    Where on the bike is this thing placed? Because I have a basket, and the worst is when this is really have and then makes the bike fall, often with me!!


    Is there some materials that is extra good for you or colours??

    I really need some god comments, stuck am I.
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    I don't want to be negative, but I don't have any problems. I have a set of Panniers with a rear rack, and I also have a messenger bag. Between those things I am pretty happy. This seems like you are searching for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKDC View Post
    Hi all

    I really need some help! Im a designer student whos going to develop a new kind of transporting "thing" for commuters on bike.
    Im a commuter on bike my self but not a adict in bicycles.
    Where do you guys place your stuff on the bike. Is it a basket or waggon or bag or some home made?

    Where on the bike is this thing placed? Because I have a basket, and the worst is when this is really have and then makes the bike fall, often with me!!


    Is there some materials that is extra good for you or colours??

    I really need some god comments, stuck am I.
    Please be geeky and chat a lot about the problems you have with transporting things on a bike!!
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    Why don't you check out the 'commuter bike pics' thread and see what other people have done. Pictures will do you a lot more good that asking us to describe out setups. If it was really that hard to ride a bike with panniers and baskets, no one would do it.

    Seriously though, I ride with a single pannier, usually loaded with a laptop, change of clothes, couple of notebooks, a rechargeable headlight, some tools, spare tube, and some snacks... it gets a little heavy and weighs down only one side of my bike. The maldistributed weight was noticeable for about ten minutes the first ride, and then it wasn't an issue. If its that big a deal, you can just use a backpack.

    Just get on your bike and ride and stop worrying about it, it is supposed to be a fun way to get to school

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    One should not commute on a bicycle unless you stay on the sidewalk, MUP or bike lane and out of the way of motor vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IKDC View Post
    Hi all

    I really need some help! Im a designer student whos going to develop a new kind of transporting "thing" for commuters on bike.
    Ok, so, being a diligent design student, you didn't wait until just before your project is due before you started doing research, right? That being the case, you've got time to do some real research. You're a bike commuter, you don't need us to tell you what commuters need. Think about what you wish you had to make your commute easier, more fun, whatever. Then go see if that product already exists. Chances are, it does and you just don't know about it. That's okay, I'm sure your professor doesn't expect anything truly revolutionary. Correct one small drawback, come up with a new wrinkle, that will probably be good enough for a B- anyway.

    But don't expect the world to do your research for you. Do your own legwork and your own thinking.
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    But this panniers. how is this if you fall?
    it seems lika soft material...
    do you use two or one? because if you have one, how do you handle the weight on the side. do the bike tip over to that side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKDC View Post
    But this panniers. how is this if you fall?
    it seems lika soft material...
    do you use two or one? because if you have one, how do you handle the weight on the side. do the bike tip over to that side?
    I will use one at times to make a short run to the store and no I do not fall down, that is sort of silly. If you have a basket mounted on your handlebars and over your front wheel you could feel a tug.

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    I often ride with a single pannier on my rear rack with no issues.

    I think that newfangled gizmos and gadgets are great for new commuters and for people who like toys, but people have been commuting on bikes for a long time so most of the revolutionary inventions have already been invented.

    No offense but I think you are barking up the wrong tree, just search the web, nearly every thing you can imagine strapping to or behind a bike has already been created and marketed. Only my opinion, take it or leave it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKDC View Post
    But this panniers. how is this if you fall?
    it seems lika soft material...
    do you use two or one? because if you have one, how do you handle the weight on the side. do the bike tip over to that side?
    If I fall I am more worried about being run over by a car than about the state of my dress shirt or groceries...

    Worrying about panniers when you fall is like getting in a car crash and worrying about your paint job

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
    Ok, so, being a diligent design student, you didn't wait until just before your project is due before you started doing research, right? That being the case, you've got time to do some real research. You're a bike commuter, you don't need us to tell you what commuters need. Think about what you wish you had to make your commute easier, more fun, whatever. Then go see if that product already exists. Chances are, it does and you just don't know about it. That's okay, I'm sure your professor doesn't expect anything truly revolutionary. Correct one small drawback, come up with a new wrinkle, that will probably be good enough for a B- anyway.

    But don't expect the world to do your research for you. Do your own legwork and your own thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
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    You can use the search function and find threads from the last 30 design students that asked basically the same question.

    Also, I hope english is not your first language. If not, then sorry for mentioning it.

    Yes, an unbalanced load will cause the bicycle to lean a bit to one side. This is not a problem however, you will automatically correct for it without even thinking about it. You will lean your body the other way to compensate. The center of gravity is over the contact point of the wheels at all times (when cornering, "over" is redefined per Newton's laws).

    Most people don't worry a great deal about falling, because most people do not fall very often. I've fallen once in the last 5 years, on a patch of sand. It didn't bother my panniers. If someone falls often enough to want some kind of armored carrier for their lunch box, perhaps they should take the bus.
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    I want a front rack and or bag shaped liked a football because it would be most aerodynamic.
    cycling is like baseball ~ it doesn't take much to make it interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
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    sorry ut my job is to investigate if theres a need for new things. Ive been searching on the web, and I saw a lot of things there. But you serious people maybe know something that we "not bike geeks" know.

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    good you people!!! Ive done all research in stores and on the net BUT I need all thoughts. The supervisor of this project is the earlier design director at Ford cars. I think she wants something out of this project.
    I have to say thanks to thoose who told me about thier thoughts about what is good today and what is bad.
    and I cant think of my self and what I think is good when I commute. Were all different.
    And my mother tongue is not english.
    thanks

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    There are essentially three ways to carry something on most bikes:

    1) rear rack/panniers/basket
    2) front rack/panniers/basket
    3) backpack or messenger bag

    People tend to experiment with different combinations and find a solution that works for them.

    With that basic info in hand, I really recommend paging through the picture thread at the top of this forum and taking some notes. Then you'll be in a place to ask intelligent questions.

    It is not a problem that English is not your first language. Thank you for letting us know, so we can be careful to avoid certain idioms and ways of speaking that are unclear for non-native speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmitt View Post
    There are essentially three ways to carry something on most bikes:

    1) rear rack/panniers/basket
    2) front rack/panniers/basket
    3) backpack or messenger bag

    People tend to experiment with different combinations and find a solution that works for them.

    With that basic info in hand, I really recommend paging through the picture thread at the top of this forum and taking some notes. Then you'll be in a place to ask intelligent questions.

    It is not a problem that English is not your first language. Thank you for letting us know, so we can be careful to avoid certain idioms and ways of speaking that are unclear for non-native speakers.
    +1 on this post

    also

    Form follows function.
    Identify the components of the needed function and then let the design flow.

    Set a target for what the commuter is carrying. As an example the target commuter will carry: a laptop, lunch, a change of clothes, spare shoes, repair kit, pump, lock, and workout clothes.

    Understand basics, like a low center of gravity (the load is close to the ground) is preferred and balanced weight on either side of the bike is preferred with larger loads.

    Now identify the weather of your target commuter: Warm, cold, dry, wet, snow, ice or all of the above

    Now you can get creative whether it is carbon fiber water proof insulated buckets or light weight fabric panniers with an internal frame

    ps: the example load is pretty close to what I commute with...sometimes adding my son's backpack if we are commuting together and I use a rack with Wald folding baskets.
    Last edited by squirtdad; 04-02-09 at 04:56 PM. Reason: added content

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    Before developing a new "thing" for transporting stuff on bikes, familiarize yourself with stuff that's already in existence. Perhaps you will not longer be compelled to invent anything. Lots of good options already exist, and given your apparent ignorance in this area, whatever you invent is likely to be an inferior version of something that's already been thought up by someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
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    WOW. You guys actually understood that post?
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    I use a backpack on most days.

    I use this trailer when I need to carry more substantial loads:


    I have to admit I only scanned the thread, but thought I noticed something indicating a desire for crush-proof panniers. Something like these might fit the bill:
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    Quote Originally Posted by IKDC View Post
    And my mother tongue is not english.
    thanks
    OK. I guess it's a bit of a compliment to you (if in a backhanded way, sorry), while there were plenty of minor errors and it was a little difficult to read, I've seen plenty of native english speakers who are far more incoherent and hard to read. I can't complain about you; I can't speak ANY other language than my native one. I only asked because the post was just good enough that it could easily have been a native english speaker who was just ignorant.

    Getting back to the topic, this topic has come up several times in the past, it might be worth doing a search for "design class" in the forums.

    Personally I can't remember really wanting anything for my bike that wasn't already available. I just wish the stuff weren't so expensive. That's mainly a matter of volume though; I bet if everyone in the US needed waterproof panniers, you could get the equivalent of an Ortlieb pannier for $60 or so. Just like hiking GPS units still cost $200+, but you can get car nav systems that actually do a ton more for $100, because so many people buy them.

    Of course, there's also the "elitism" factor - Take any given item made for a car selling for $10, put a sticker on it that says it's especially designed for bicycles, and you can charge $50 for it.
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    I use my backpack if I need my Camelback

    Panniers if I need to carry some stuff

    Trailer if I need to carry a lot of stuff...

    Though I'm carfree now so I carry EVERYTHING on my bike, if it doesn't fit on my bike I don't own it.

    Brought home a mattress last month on the trailer, that was fun.
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