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    Surly Cross Check question

    I'm getting ready to get a CC frame and was just wondering if most folks here went down one size on their CC? I ride a 56cm Specialized Tarmac and wonder if I should get a 54cm Cross Check.

    Can anyone tell me what the stand over height is on their 56cm and 54cm CC?

    Also, is there any place to get the Surly Cross Check frame in the Misty Gray color or are most of them gone since it was last year’s color? I don't want the beef brown color and was thinking about something different than the traditional black.

    Anyone know when Surly announces their new colors?
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    I ride a 54cm CAAD9 and a 54cm Crosscheck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    I ride a 54cm CAAD9 and a 54cm Crosscheck.
    Thanks bdcheung, can you tell me what the stand over height is on your 54? How tall are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MulliganAl View Post
    Thanks bdcheung, can you tell me what the stand over height is on your 54? How tall are you?
    I'm 5'10" with a 33" actual (not clothing) inseam.

    I don't know what the standover is but I suppose I could go downstairs and measure it.
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    Not sure when they announce the new colors, but from a quick googling, looks like the 2009's were hitting the shelves in December 2008, so you have awhile to wait before anything new comes out.

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    I ride a 56 Cannondale Synapse and a 56 CC. I could comfortably ride a 54 CC. It's really personal preference at that point. FYI, cycling inseam is 33.5".

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    Standover is about 30.5" on my 54cm with 23c tires

    (unsolicited opinion... standover is not the best way to determine appropriate frame size)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    Standover is about 30.5" on my 54cm with 23c tires

    (unsolicited opinion... standover is not the best way to determine appropriate frame size)
    Thanks bdcheung, I was using the standover as a starting point, but what would you say is the most effective way to judge proper frame size? There's no place around here that has the CC in stock so a test ride is out unfortunately, unless someone in Atlanta wants let me test ride their CC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MulliganAl View Post
    I'm getting ready to get a CC frame and was just wondering if most folks here went down one size on their CC? I ride a 56cm Specialized Tarmac and wonder if I should get a 54cm Cross Check.
    Compare the effective top-tube lengths, not the standover

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    I look at seat tube length first, then top tube (horizontal) length. Both are equally important in my book.
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    How about contact Surly and get all your questions answered in one place. Send them an e-mail, I have in the past. They respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modernjess View Post
    How about contact Surly and get all your questions answered in one place. Send them an e-mail, I have in the past. They respond.
    Great idea, thanks. I didn't know they'd be that responsive.
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    Cross-Checks are widely said to run one size smaller than your normal measure and I found that to be true with mine. I'm 6-1 and would ride a 60 in most similar frames but the 58 fits me perfectly in the X-C. There's no real way of knowing, though, except to ride one, which is obviously a challenge with a bike that isn't stocked in a lot of shops.

    I have the grey frame. It's discontinued and my sense is it's hard to find partly because lots of people don't like the new brown and want something other than black, like you. Not long ago someone was trying to flip a new grey X-C frame on our local Craigslist for like $75 over the regular price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsForFears View Post
    I have the grey frame. It's discontinued and my sense is it's hard to find partly because lots of people don't like the new brown and want something other than black, like you. Not long ago someone was trying to flip a new grey X-C frame on our local Craigslist for like $75 over the regular price.
    Unfortunately I missed out on a grey 54cm frame just the other day on eBay because I thought the price was too high at $360+ and I thought they could still be purchased as overstock. I guess the 54cm black frame will be the one, unless Surly announces the new colors sometime soon. Thanks for the info on your sizing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsForFears View Post
    Cross-Checks are widely said to run one size smaller than your normal measure and I found that to be true with mine. I'm 6-1 and would ride a 60 in most similar frames but the 58 fits me perfectly in the X-C. There's no real way of knowing, though, except to ride one, which is obviously a challenge with a bike that isn't stocked in a lot of shops.
    CrossChecks tend to run longer top tubes for a given seat tube size. I generally ride 54s and have a 54 Check, but could have just as easily gone with a 52 and been satisfied.
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    I received a reply from the Surly rep (good customer service so far) and he suggested that I go with a 54cm in the Cross Check because the 54cm seat tube in the CC is very similar in length to the 56cm seat tube in the Specialized Tarmac.
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    I know that Missoula Bicycle Works in Missoula, MT has a 54cm Misty Mtn. Grey Cross Check on their floor built up with full 105 groupset that they built up for someone that never showed back up to get it. You might give them a call if your that interested in getting a grey one.

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    I ride a 56cm Trek 1500 and a 54cm Surly Cross Check. Don't have the bike here to measure the stand over but my inseam is 30 inches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MulliganAl View Post
    Unfortunately I missed out on a grey 54cm frame just the other day on eBay because I thought the price was too high at $360+ and I thought they could still be purchased as overstock. I guess the 54cm black frame will be the one, unless Surly announces the new colors sometime soon. Thanks for the info on your sizing.
    I don't think there will be a new Cross-Check color for quite a while. Black is constant and the beef gravy brown IS the new color - it's basically just out. Plus they don't necessarily follow model years or anything like that. They are quirky about colors. On their blog it says, "We don't conduct market research, run focus groups, or particularly worry about what colors are hot, acceptable, or otherwise sexy. If you have an opinion about what our colors should be, that's great. Write it in your journal next to some hearts and ponies."

    I happen to think the brown is nice but I'm half color-blind. The original Cross-Checks were an awesome deep blue and the collapsible Travelers Check is still in that color.

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    My road bikes have a 56.5 and 57 cm top tubes. Based on this I went for the closest TT that Surly offered. This translated to a 56cm x-check. So yes, I did step down. I generally ride 58 cm frames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsForFears View Post
    The original Cross-Checks were an awesome deep blue and the collapsible Travelers Check is still in that color.
    I fear they're switching the TCs to a new 'brownlow' which I suspect is a pretty descriptive name.

    On the bright side, buying a frame, you're ready to bring it right to the powder coater's should your needs be that specific.

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    Standover height is NOT how you size a frame. Effective top tube (cockpit length) is.

    Your first step in sizing is whether or not you can achieve the reach you desire with the top tube combined with available stems and handlebars.

    The next step is determining your saddle to bar drop; if you want more, take the smaller frame with the longer stem. Less? Bigger frame (usually equates to taller headtube) with a shorter stem. Try not to go less than 80mm on your stem though.

    Then, when all is said and done, check standover. As long as it's not just stupid then it's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banzai View Post
    Standover height is NOT how you size a frame. Effective top tube (cockpit length) is.

    Your first step in sizing is whether or not you can achieve the reach you desire with the top tube combined with available stems and handlebars.

    The next step is determining your saddle to bar drop; if you want more, take the smaller frame with the longer stem. Less? Bigger frame (usually equates to taller headtube) with a shorter stem. Try not to go less than 80mm on your stem though.

    Then, when all is said and done, check standover. As long as it's not just stupid then it's fine.
    Thanks Banzai, this is great information. I've been looking at the websites for Surly and Soma and some others and they all seem to use different identifiers for their measurements, I'm having a difficult time lining them all up to make a comparison. Iím using my Specialized Tarmac as a guide since I like the feel setup, but comparing the specs from that to Soma or Surly is a bit confusing.

    Hereís what Iíve found:
    Tarmac 54cm 56cm
    Seat Tube Length, Center to Top 510mm 530mm
    Seat Tube Length, Center to Center 460mm 480mm
    Top Tube Length (Horizontal) 548mm 565mm
    Front Center 583mm 591mm
    Wheel Base 978mm 986mm
    Standover Height 763mm 784mm
    Head Tube Length 130mm 155mm
    Stem Length 100mm 100mm
    Seatpost Length 350mm 350mm

    Surly Cross Check
    54 cm 56 cm
    ST (C-T)Inches/mm 20.5/520.0 21.3/540.0
    TT (C-C) Inches/mm 21.5/545.0 22.0/560.0
    TT (Effec.) Inches/mm 21.5/547.1 22.0/560.0
    CS Length Inches/mm 16.7/425.0 16.7/425.0
    S.O. Height* Inches/mm 30.6/778.4 31.2/793.0
    FK Length Inches/mm 15.7/400.0 15.7/400.0


    Many of these dimensions just don't seem to line up on the two bikes and two different sizes; or perhaps I'm just not reading it correctly.
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    'horizontal' TT approximates 'effective' TT; the 56 CC is a 5mm shorter than 56 Tarmac, but the 54s are about equivalent.

    If you're wondering how/why tube lengths do/don't line up, you would also want to look at changes in headtube or seat tube angle across sizes of each frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    'horizontal' TT approximates 'effective' TT; the 56 CC is a 5mm shorter than 56 Tarmac, but the 54s are about equivalent.

    If you're wondering how/why tube lengths do/don't line up, you would also want to look at changes in headtube or seat tube angle across sizes of each frame.
    Thanks so much, I just wonder how people get the correct frame when they order online and don't have a chance to ride the bike; it really takes time to compare frame dimensions. Are most folks as cautious as I am or do a good many folks just buy a frame then hope it fits correctly?

    I just donít want to spend the money on a frame, spend the time building it up (this will be my first build so it may take me a while, kindaí of a hobby/labor of love) then find it doesnít fit properly.
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