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    I will never ride again...

    What are the odds of being hit twice in less than a year? Apparently pretty good if you live in Owensboro, KY. The first time I was hit, was on 9/22/08. The second time was at 1:45p.m. today, while on my way to work.

    I was at an intersection. I stopped at a stop sign and proceeded onto the main road by turning right. (there is about 15 - 20feet between the stop sign and the main road...awkward design). As I turned onto the main road, a car was coming from that direction and making a left. The driver crossed the center line completely and proceeded into her fast, left handed turn. She left me nowhere to go. I of course, yelled to get her attention. I didn't get it. I swerved as close to the curve as possible and still took the side mirror of of her car, left a 3 foot long dent in her car, and ended up on the grassy shoulder beyond the curb.

    She gets out, tells me I was in her way, and asks if I was hurt. I told her I thought I was ok, so she gets in her car to leave. I yell out I was calling the cops (my bike is unrideable) and she stops (she moved her car to the correct side of the road). The cops show up and talk to her. She claims I ran the stop sign. He talks to me and accuses me of running the stop sign. I asked him his reasoning, and he said that he has seen me do it before (i probally have, but didn't then). I told him that I stopped and went because it was clear, and that she turned into my lane. He then told me that I don't own the lane and that I was at fault.

    Welcome to the attitude in Owensboro. I of course, have his name. If the police report tells anything but the truth, I will throw the biggest hissy fit ever seen in history.

    As for commuting by bike, it is over. I am done. Best of luck to all of you, but I am tired of risking my life with close calls.
    I'm just your average back woods, *** toting, ex military, Christian, God Fearing, country boy, rightwing conservative. Liberals beware. I am the one clinging to my God and guns.

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    Sorry to hear.

    Get a lawyer.

    I hope you got the ******bag cop's name. What a ******bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok_commuter View Post
    Sorry to hear.

    Get a lawyer.

    I hope you got the ******bag cop's name. What a ******bag.
    Unfortunately, it probably wouldn't do any good. I wouldn't give up though. Give it some time.

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    If you were hit twice in one year, it sounds like you've been putting yourself into compromising positions. If you're not going to ride, you're not going to ride, but if you do perhaps a slight rethink/paradigm shift is in order.

    Best of luck either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJBlanche View Post
    If you were hit twice in one year, it sounds like you've been putting yourself into compromising positions. If you're not going to ride, you're not going to ride, but if you do perhaps a slight rethink/paradigm shift is in order.

    Best of luck either way.
    I wear a high visibility reflective vest, have reflective tape all over my bike, have a 12 volt 55 watt lawn and garden spotlight for a headlight, take the lane when appropriate, get to the side when common sense dictates, wear a helmet with reflective tape on it, and follow the rules of the road and even signal my turns. I am Fredish.

    maybe I should just drive irresponsibly and never be accountable for my actions like some people, but I personally believe that rules and laws should be followed. So, in short, rethinking/paradigm shift is happening. I chose to take up bike riding, and I am choosing now that it is too dangerous.
    I'm just your average back woods, *** toting, ex military, Christian, God Fearing, country boy, rightwing conservative. Liberals beware. I am the one clinging to my God and guns.

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    No other witnesses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wharfrat View Post
    Unfortunately, it probably wouldn't do any good.
    And you say this based on what? It sounds like the cop shot from the hip on this one, and OP has plenty of grounds for both a civil suit and criminal charges.
    You have the right to your own opinion. You don't have the right to your own facts.

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    The only witness was a man who was cutting grass nearby. He said he looked up because he heard me yell, and saw her hit me. THen he continued on cutting his grass...

    I had to go get him and ask him if he saw anything and to ask him to give a statement.
    I'm just your average back woods, *** toting, ex military, Christian, God Fearing, country boy, rightwing conservative. Liberals beware. I am the one clinging to my God and guns.

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    I also had a witness for the cops negative attitude. I had called my coworker to come pick up my bike, and she overheard what the cop was saying to me.
    I'm just your average back woods, *** toting, ex military, Christian, God Fearing, country boy, rightwing conservative. Liberals beware. I am the one clinging to my God and guns.

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    I'm sure you didn't come here to get beat up and micro-analyzed.
    But I just can't grasp your accident scenario.
    You were in the process of turning right. She was making a sloppy left and takes the oncoming lane rather than making a proper 45 degree turn. She clips you in your lane. What does running a stop sign have to do with her illegally being in the oncoming traffic lane?
    Was there no shoulder? Was there not enough time for a ditch dive with a vehicle bearing down on you?
    Don't give up. Get mad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJBlanche View Post
    If you were hit twice in one year, it sounds like you've been putting yourself into compromising positions. If you're not going to ride, you're not going to ride, but if you do perhaps a slight rethink/paradigm shift is in order.

    Best of luck either way.
    The first time I was hit, I was T-boned when the driver ran a stop sign...

    I know...now I am venting...must stop....
    I'm just your average back woods, *** toting, ex military, Christian, God Fearing, country boy, rightwing conservative. Liberals beware. I am the one clinging to my God and guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
    And you say this based on what? It sounds like the cop shot from the hip on this one, and OP has plenty of grounds for both a civil suit and criminal charges.
    Ever try and suing a cop for anything? They routinely get away with far worse behavior.

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    Wgaynor: Sorry to hear about this. I must say based on your sig line I'm a little surprised the women who hit you is still alive. Nevertheless, I have officially checked Owensboro, KY off my list of towns to tour through next Summer. Perhaps a similar move is in your future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wgaynor View Post
    I wear a high visibility reflective vest, have reflective tape all over my bike, have a 12 volt 55 watt lawn and garden spotlight for a headlight, take the lane when appropriate, get to the side when common sense dictates, wear a helmet with reflective tape on it, and follow the rules of the road and even signal my turns. I am Fredish.
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    I am a ***-hating, big-city, devil-worshiping liberal tree hugger, but I still have to say: Sorry to hear about your accident. Hope the police report is filed fairly and truthfully.

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    Suck it up, Get back on your New Bike and life goes on

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    Can I say HTFU and ride? or is that innapropriate? I never know....
    (jk, mostly)
    but really man, that sucks. I'm sorry!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jscotkey View Post
    Wgaynor: Sorry to hear about this. I must say based on your sig line I'm a little surprised the women who hit you is still alive. Nevertheless, I have officially checked Owensboro, KY off my list of towns to tour through next Summer. Perhaps a similar move is in your future.
    funny you mentioned that about marking this city off of your list of towns to tour through. THere was an article in the paper last week about how cops and motorists must learn to share the road and cyclist must learn to follow the rules of the road.

    As for my sig line surprising you that the lady is still alive, I would never harm a lady. Or a man for that instance. ...unless it was necessary to defend my life or my family's.
    I'm just your average back woods, *** toting, ex military, Christian, God Fearing, country boy, rightwing conservative. Liberals beware. I am the one clinging to my God and guns.

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    Do what you have to...

    Evansville here... I feel your pain. I wish the best in whatever you decide. I hope you will ride again.

    Best regards,

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    Disposable camera. Immediately start taking pictures as soon as your up. I know it sounds bad, but even if your scabby and bleeding, you've got the proof that she moved her vehicle before the police got there to parlay a 'he did it!' argument.

    I would take it to court. A police officer using the "I've seen you do it before" defense is not admissible. Is he indicating he has failed to ticket you for known violations he witnessed? Well then he's not doing his job, period.
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    Ex-Military and your letting a couple of bumps and bruises scare you off?

    What exactly were you doing in the military, piloting a desk?
    This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.

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    You have reflective tape, but do you have a horn? You may need two...

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    First off wgaynor I'm glad to hear you are relatively alright. I do hope you do not stop commuting, rather take some time away as needed.

    It sounds like from your description it is a four way intersection. She was making a left hand turn and cut the corner really sharply (thus going into another lane to hit you), is this correct? You meanwhile were making a right hand turn and the car hit you. The mirror you describe being taken off is then the "driver's side" mirror and the dent is on the drivers side of the door?

    Although it is a little late I would still go back and take pictures of the intersection and where the accident took place at. Also take a picture of the womans vehicle where the damage occured. I think you would be able to get her information from the police report. Definetely double check the accuracy of the report and if it has a diagram of the intersection where everything is located at. It is good you have both a coworker and witness who can give thier accounts of where the bike was located at also (assuming you did not move the bike prior to the police showing up) and what they saw or heard.

    I am not a lawyer but you may want to find one or consult with one.

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    I'm sorry to hear that you were in a wreck.

    I was born in Owensboro and return occasionally to visit family. My grandfather rides on some of the bike paths around the city. Would it be possible to incorporate those into your commute so that you could avoid traffic?

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    Sorry to hear of your accident and am glad you're ok. If you do decide to not ride anymore, don't give up. Take up a sport like tennis, running or maybe a local soccer team. Get a track bike if there is a nearby track or see if there is a rowing team at a nearby lake.
    It doesn't necessarily have to be bicycling, just something that involves plenty of exercise and good cardio.
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