randya

Hey folks, if you have to run a headlight that's got a zillion lumen candlepower, at least have the decency to aim it correctly so you don't blind oncoming cyclists, down and to the right, just like properly aimed car headlights. Aiming your headlight into the eyes of oncoming cyclists is not only annoying, it's dangerous.

CB HI

Calm down, one thread on the subject should be sufficient.

cyclefreaksix

Almost as annoying as double posting!

randya

yeah, yeah, I blame the not-quite-fixed database, everything's still really slow. other forums let you delete your own thread, this one doesn't, so it'll be fixed as soon as a moderator gets around to it

mechBgon

I've done photos and firsthand observation of my own lights, including ones I was attempting to devise a true beam "cutoff" for. Based on my observations, including video testing, a bright bike headlight isn't going to look a lot different when aimed down and to the right, unless you point it so far down that it's basically pointless to see forward with. The problem is that a lot of light is coming from a small source, and therefore it has high intensity per unit area. Compare the size of a 200-lumen bike light to the size of a ~1000-lumen automotive headlight lens... the difference in effective surface intensity must be approaching two orders of magnitude.

My solution: ride on roadways. If you're coming towards me, you're 10-20 meters to my left.

Oh, and the beam cutoff, as nice as it looked when aimed at a wall, was visually indistinguishable from the same light without a cutoff, at a range of about 50 meters. Sounds good, doesn't really work.

LesMcLuffAlot

don't look at it.....

DataJunkie

No thanks. Otherwise, how would we get such insightful posts?
As a result I shall continue to aim my 1200 lumens directly at your eyes.
Thank you

randya

then maybe the problem is that the beams are too diffuse and aren't focused well enough, that's a design flaw in the lamp itself, and those things aren't cheap, they should have a better focused beam.

I was riding on the MUP tonight, not the road, so the oncoming cyclists were only like 1 or 2 meters to my left

randya

these kinds of attitudes are why some people hate cyclists

10 Wheels

This car came by when I was taking a pic of my 17 lux head light.

DataJunkie

-Pot meet kettle.
-High horses and all that.
-Find your sense of humor.
-A&S misses you.

love2commute

+1000 I completely agree with you!

Sci-Fi

lol...haven't seen a bicycle light, aftermarket or hand built, posted with a proper cutoff beam pattern/lens. They all look like high beams or flashlight beams. This is what a cutoff beam should look like:



Majority of the light should be focused where it does the most good...on the road and a flat beam projected down the road w/o blinding oncoming traffic and maybe highlighting elevated road signs on the right shoulder. Be better off using a small car fog lamp housing and lens and stuffing your hi-power/mega lumens/candlepower led's in there.

randya

just proves my point, car headlights are easier on the eyes of oncoming traffic than bike lights are. It's plain rude to run lights like that.

randya

also proves my point. thanks!

randya

if it's humor you should use one of these , otherwise people might think you're just another jackhole that runs badly aimed annoyingly bright lights

crazyed27

I don't run lights at night also I wear dark clothing and no helmet.........But I am aware of my surroundings...so I never get hit or messed with by the police! Key word is aware! You must be aware at all times.

randya

I definitely run lights, but I run sensible ones that aren't overkill or so poorly designed as to be hazardous to other users

CCrew

Need some cheese with that whine?

randya

another cyclist with light overkill syndrome?

crazyed27

Have you seen the price of cheese as of late??? I prefer the whine!!!! At least you get a buzz!

crazyed27

Really be honest....how many more car lights do you come across than cycle lights during your ride??? You must have had a bad day with your micro manager boss!

znomit

OMG I got me a 20$ uber bright flashlight why not use it on my bike?

If you live in a country where lots of people ride at night you'll find enough pissed off car drivers to make laws about bike lights.

And you'll find bike light makers making proper lights like this:
https://peterwhitecycles.com/headlights.asp

randya

I live in PDX and I went for a ride on the MUP after dark but still during commuting hours tonight, so the answer is I saw LOTs of bikes with annoying lights this evening. I think it's great that cyclists are lighting up, but they need to be more aware of how the equipment they are using affects other cyclists, particularly if they are riding on the MUP, where the effects of bad lighting equipment on other cyclists are much more pronounced than on the road, because separation distances are much less on the MUP.

tatfiend 

The only bike lights I am aware of with a really good vertical cutoff are the German street legal lights that Peter White cycles imports. Germany has basically the same sharp vertical cutoff rules for cycle lights as for the low beams of German road legal car lights. As a result their street legal bike lights have the least annoying light patterns for fellow bicyclists and motorists. I believe that German law also limits the power of street legal bike headlights.

Most American bike lights have a round beam which puts out too much light above the horizontal so it is difficult to aim them low enough to not be annoying to others and still have adequate illumination for reasonable speeds. They are equivalent to an automotive high beam.