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    Year round rain jacket

    Happy new year all. I am looking to get a new rain jacket for when I start my new job. I am considering buying a more expensive one (goretex or eVent) but was hoping to wear it all year round and just vary the underclothes to adjust to the different temperatures. Would this work?

    Also given the windproofness of these products would I see any benefit wearing a windproof gilet underneath?

    More questions to come, I'm sure!

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    I wear my rain jacket on rainy/snowy days 8 months of the year in temps from -5C to 20C. The colder the better. Anything below 10C is quite nice since I can easily moderate my temperature with the right clothes underneath. At 15C, it's getting hot, but doable. 20C is my limit. I haven't found anything waterproof that is comfortable to wear above 20C, so in the summer I just get wet.

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    This is pretty much my plan too. So far, it is working very well for me. At 20 F, I had to remove my field jacket liner that I wear under my rain jacket.
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    Summer waterproofs for the UK really needs to be fully vented (underams and back) to avoid the buildup of moisture. I have never reached a cutoff temp for summer rain, we dont get tropical downpours.
    Ive used a fully vented gortex jacket in winter and it works OK.
    You want an optional hood for off the bike.
    The rear pocket is not very useful for commuting. I find a chest security pocket useful for wallet and keys and a high side pocket for gloves works when I get off the bike.

    When I used gortex, it only saw action during rain. I used a plain windproof for dry days.

    These days, my jacket from Oct to May is a Paramo and the gortex comes out in summer.

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    I don't wear a rain jacket in the summer. I just get wet. The purpose of the jacket is so you do not become cold in the rain. If it's warm enough you won't need it. You can dry off and change when you get off the bike.

    You won't need another wind proof layer under the jacket.

    I recommend a jacket with both pit zips and a back vent.
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    If it's really hot, I wouldn't wear any jacket. Sometimes if it rains (summer thunderstorms) I don't need water protection, since I am sweating like a hog anyway in my short-sleeve jersey. I've read comments of people wearing the 2.0 in 80+ F Gulf Coast summers, saying it works great. I don't get it. Summer rain can be a nice cool-down.

    In London, I think you may find the SP 2.0 useful in everything but July-August heat waves. But, if you get one from REI and try it out for the next 8 months, and if it doesn't serve you well, under a wide variety of conditions, return it.

    Layering is key, always. I went out today at 14 F (-10C) and wore three mid-weight polyester fleece layers. Two would have been sufficient, I think. I started fully zipped up. After about 45 minutes, I opened my front zips fully (bottom meeting top) and opened my pitzips. I finished a little damp, but warm a half-hour later. Finishing temp was 17 F. Mr. Winky was a red-faced, from air penetration through my tights but otherwise everything else was fine.

    At 50-54 F, 15 mph wind, I wore a summer jersey under it last month, with bib knickers, and fingerless gloves. Very comfy, front 3/4-unzipped and pitzips open. At this temp (no rain) I have lots of options in my wardrobe, I just wanted to test the new 2.0 out. It worked very well. (I tend to get cold more easily than when I was young, i.e. I'm not interested in doing shorts and summer jersey at 50ish F anymore.)

    The SP 2.0 is a very versatile jacket. It's worth trying out and deciding for yourself.

    A lot of Windstopper and Polartec jackets are excellent at wind-blocking with decent rain-resistance.
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    Thanks. I had thought that since we don't really get HOT summers I would wear the jacket then too, however if it does get too hot then I'd just get wet!

    Two more questions:

    Is it worth getting (or in my case making) a windproof gilet or should I just wear the jacket all the time?

    What clothes do you wear under your jacket as the temperature changes? I have a base layer, a jersey, a fleece, and arm warmers - will this be ok for most temps (we don't really go below -5C in London and I generally hammer it on the way to/from work!)?

    Also any other recommendations for jackets?

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    http://www.columbia.com/mens-jacket-...l?sz=1&start=3

    that's what I use for...everything. without the fleece it's great in warm temps, and I've never been cold in it down to 0F.
    waterproof, windproof (ish, i have better windproof), and breathable.

    I use it on and off the bike...just as a general jacket. I also have random fleeces and another really vented windproof/waterproof jacket.
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    If it's really hot, I wouldn't wear any jacket. Sometimes if it rains (summer thunderstorms) I don't need water protection, since I am sweating like a hog anyway in my short-sleeve jersey. I've read comments of people wearing the 2.0 in 80+ F Gulf Coast summers, saying it works great. I don't get it. Summer rain can be a nice cool-down.

    In London, I think you may find the SP 2.0 useful in everything but July-August heat waves. But, if you get one from REI and try it out for the next 8 months, and if it doesn't serve you well, under a wide variety of conditions, return it.

    Layering is key, always. I went out today at 14 F (-10C) and wore three mid-weight polyester fleece layers. Two would have been sufficient, I think. I started fully zipped up. After about 45 minutes, I opened my front zips fully (bottom meeting top) and opened my pitzips. I finished a little damp, but warm a half-hour later. Finishing temp was 17 F. Mr. Winky was a red-faced, from air penetration through my tights but otherwise everything else was fine.

    At 50-54 F, 15 mph wind, I wore a summer jersey under it last month, with bib knickers, and fingerless gloves. Very comfy, front 3/4-unzipped and pitzips open. At this temp (no rain) I have lots of options in my wardrobe, I just wanted to test the new 2.0 out. It worked very well. (I tend to get cold more easily than when I was young, i.e. I'm not interested in doing shorts and summer jersey at 50ish F anymore.)

    The SP 2.0 is a very versatile jacket. It's worth trying out and deciding for yourself.

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    I have Columbia Omnitech rain pants. I'm pretty sure the membrane is Gore's out-of-patent ePTFE. I like the pants, not just for rain, but for wind-blocking on cold dry days. (Didn't have them on today, wore Craft Storm tights and GBW leg warmers, good, except the leg warmers didn't cover the crotch. Shoulda worn the rain pants. )

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    This jacket/insulation is very nice under a rain jacket or as a temporary rain jacket for 5 mile or less commutes in case you get caught out. It can get soaked and dry in an hour as it is synthetic insulation. It repels water for a good while and keeps you warm until you get home, hang it on a chair and it dries fast.

    Packs very small, high quality and nice colors.
    About the thickness of a heavy sweater but twice as warm.
    Perfect on a cool night.

    http://www.montbell.us/products/disp...3&p_id=2301401

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclectus View Post
    The SP 2.0 is a very versatile jacket. It's worth trying out and deciding for yourself.

    A lot of Windstopper and Polartec jackets are excellent at wind-blocking with decent rain-resistance.
    How durable is that jacket? I have been looking at this Mec Whoosh for commuting as my windstopper won't cut it during the november/april showers. It is about $120 or more... vs the jacket sold at the co-op here, which is very well reviewed.

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    Im not a great fan of arm and legwarmers for UK commutes. We dont get the huge variation in am/pm temperatures or the large changes due to altitude. Generally, you can use the same clothing throughout the ride. Long sleeves and full length or 3/4 length tights are quicker to put on and more comfortable to wear.
    Gillets and windproofs are really useful. S.E England gets very little rain (less than Morocco) so windproofs are more useful than waterproofs on most days.
    My spare insulation is a light fleece sleeveless gillet.

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    Thanks for all the tips guys. I think I am going to get a windproof gilet and use that in combination with arm warmers when no rain is expected and it is cold. I am also going to get a decent rain jacket with a guarantee for those days when it rains.

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    if it's dry, you'll find several options work. Put on enough wool or fleece layers, and you can get through some pretty cold temps, 30s-40's F (single digit Cs). On the other hand Windstopper or other membranes reduce bulk. Strategically placed membranes are best used in low-wind conditions, as they block head-wind (from riding), but not cross-winds. Full-coverage Windstopper or the like is best for these.

    Look at pitzips. A lot of mfrs think they have designed "breathable" garments not needing pzs, but in actuality they are reducing versatility. For example, Assos airJack 851 is rated from 32F-46F (0-8 C). A 14 F / 8C range is not a wide temp range. I've tested the SP 2.0 in 40 F / 22 C range, and it's been great. I have no doubt the maximal range is far larger than I have tested. I rode a GTX alpine parka last year in a 60 F / 33 C range, and it was fine throughout, but it was a little too "tenty" on the bike, not being designed for that. Also it was red, and even though I wanted to get away from yellow, yellow is the most visible color to drivers. I really hate yellow, it's soo ugly, but I ride in traffic most of the time, so I want drivers to see me and go around me without honks or hassles. (I also use DiNotte taillight.)

    If you use a waterproof membrane or fabric, it's important to size it large enough to get undershell airflow. You might think, "Well isn't that going to be cold, if you're channeling outside air under the shell?" Amazingly, it's not. If you open the bottom zip, you may get some "pink bellly", depending on how far you open it and what you have underneath, but the rest of you will be comfy warm. The cold air warms up during its entrance-to-exit passage and carries sweat vapor away.

    Nashbar is selling 07-08 Gore Bike Wear Function II full-Windstopper shells. The sleeves are removable. Partially unzipped, you get some pitzip function. The Function II will take some short rides in downpours, or longer ones in drizzle. At $99.99, a very nice jacket for temps in 30s-50s F. It stops headwinds and crosswinds dead in their tracks. For this pricepoint, a very good garment.

    Nashbar is also selling 07-08 Bellwether Aqua-No for $79.00. This is waterproof, it uses a laminate, I'm pretty sure Gore's out of patent ePTFE. Adjustable air-flow-allowing velcro cuffs pitzips and a back vent. A fleece-line collar. (Get it large enough to allow under-shell airflow. ) Bellwether is owned by Profile Designs, a respected mfr. This is a very good bang-for-buck jacket.

    If you get a great discount on something and it isn't quite satisfactory, consider paying a seamstress to replace the conventional front zipper with a dual-action top-and-bottom zip. Bottom-up zipping will increase its versatility. Unless you're riding in a "horizontal rain" windstorm, or you are riding upright, you open the bottom zip without getting wet.

    I prefer pitzips to high-breathability underarm panels without, for crosswinds, and to allow lower-temp riding. A backvent is a nice feature, because if you ride long enough, you'll notice your back is what gets most clammy-chilly w/o venting.
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    Thanks for all the useful info in your posts. I am considering a Berghaus jacket which uses Gore Paclite fabric and has some vents. I want vents as I usually push it hard on the bike and also am generally quite a hot person. Also I am leaning towards Gore as even though it is probably not as good as the eVent it does have a good returns policy that I can take advantage of in the UK and is also quite widely sold here too. The annoying thing is that I WANT eVent, but they don't offer any kind of returns policy in the UK which puts me of dropping £200 on a jacket I don't know will suit me.

    I am going to go out on some trial rides when my arm warmers come (hopefully today!) so I can see what layers I need for colder temps.

    Thanks again for all your help,

    And if anyone knows of a goretex paclite jacket with vents then please post the name (as long as it isn't the HUGELY expensive mavic stuff!)!

    Thanks

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    IMHO, the beauty of the SP 2.0 is only partially eVent. With a tight-fitting shell, you can overload any waterproof membrane's transpiration rate, and build up too much sweat moisture. The "secret" is in maximal airflow adjustabilityy. Bottom-up unzipping and pitzips. Tried that with a GTX Pro alpine-sports parka large enough to generate under-shell airflow. Excellente.

    As a skeptic, I decided to try an SP 2.0, from REI, knowing I could get my money back. WOW! I am not returning it. Unless its seams breakdown, then I want my money back.

    Assos, which I wear and love, wants you to buy a wardrobe of individually limited-range garments. Buy an Element One, an airJack 851, and a FuguJack. Plus a ClimaJet for rain.

    The SP 2.0 in one shell, will take you through an amazing wide-range of conditions. If you get it from REI, you get to say, "This is frankly disappointing for me, I don't care what other people say," and you get your money back. But the odds are, you will join the group of pleased consumers.

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    Thanks again for all the information eclectus, however I think that what I am going to do is to buy an Endura Gridlock jacket as it is much cheaper than a goretex or event equivalent and it has what seems to be pretty decent ventilation so it should work better than what I have for not much ££!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daven1986 View Post
    Thanks for all the tips guys. I think I am going to get a windproof gilet and use that in combination with arm warmers when no rain is expected and it is cold. I am also going to get a decent rain jacket with a guarantee for those days when it rains.
    What's a gilet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daven1986 View Post
    Thanks for all the useful info in your posts. I am considering a Berghaus jacket which uses Gore Paclite fabric and has some vents. I want vents as I usually push it hard on the bike and also am generally quite a hot person. Also I am leaning towards Gore as even though it is probably not as good as the eVent it does have a good returns policy that I can take advantage of in the UK and is also quite widely sold here too. The annoying thing is that I WANT eVent, but they don't offer any kind of returns policy in the UK which puts me of dropping £200 on a jacket I don't know will suit me.

    I am going to go out on some trial rides when my arm warmers come (hopefully today!) so I can see what layers I need for colder temps.

    Thanks again for all your help,

    And if anyone knows of a goretex paclite jacket with vents then please post the name (as long as it isn't the HUGELY expensive mavic stuff!)!

    Thanks

    Daven
    The paclite is a 2.5 layer system whereas the eVent is a full 3-layer system, the paclite is for packing down smaller but isn't as durable as the 3-layer system with a layer of ripstop nylon on the outer-facing layer.

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    That's exactly what I do. I have a waterproof/breathable from J&G cyclewear (www.bicycleclothing.com) - $100. Mine is about 4 years old now, I wear it all winter and in every decent rainstorm unless it's > 70*F or so (when I just prefer to get wet) and it still shows no sign of wear. It has quite large pit zips so you can do a lot of adjustment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcbob View Post
    What's a gilet?
    Like a vest. I.e. a top without arms.

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    Endura uses PTFE, Robert Gore's awesome waterproof breathable membrane, now out-of-patent.

    The Gridlock, with shoulder vents and pitzips, should be good. If I were getting one, I'd size it to get some under-shell airflow, to maximize sweat-vapor removal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclectus View Post
    Endura uses PTFE, Robert Gore's awesome waterproof breathable membrane, now out-of-patent.

    The Gridlock, with shoulder vents and pitzips, should be good. If I were getting one, I'd size it to get some under-shell airflow, to maximize sweat-vapor removal.
    Thanks, I am quite small (around 34"-35" chest) so the small should work for me - I have measured myself even with layers on and I am still within the small range! Also tsl has kindly helped me out by letting me know that the sizing of them is pretty accurate.

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