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    Flat on first !@#$#$@!% ride on new tires

    Yup, go figure. All those years of keeping the words soft and hushed in the background, not using the word FLAT because it might jinx me.

    Got a new set of Panaracer T-Serv Protex. Mounted them for my first commute tonight. Goathead thorn. Flat tire.

    At least it didn't flat until I got to work. Now I get to spend my night pumping up a new tube to 110 psi. And oddly enough, I do not blame the tire. The thorn was wicked strong and would have pierced kevlar. It was other-worldly.

    To sum up: New tires. Thorn. Flat. All night pumping. Don't blame the tire...unless it happens consistently.

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    Is this a beginning of a new curse: "flat you!" ?

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    If it takes more than 2 minutes to get to 110, you need a new pump. OK, 4 minutes if it's a bike-mounted pump.

    Condolences on the punctured new tire.
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    I do need a new pump. I use the Hurricane Air Sceptre, and while it is easy to use, light and small, I'd prefer a pump with a gauge. I am happy to report that folding tires (my first experience) are easier to mount the second time.

    EDIT: Turns out, the tire did its job - the thorn was not responsible for the leaky tube. It was the rim tape, which is more like a rigid plastic. The overlap created a sharp edge which I suspect is what cut into the tube for an ever so slow leak. Rigged with a piece of a Ziploc bag folded over and secured with Scotch tape over the sharp edge, for now.

    Any recommendations for a solid frame pump with a gauge?
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    I'm impressed you can pump a tire by hand to 110. I have a tiny mini hand pump for emergencies and I only use it to get to a rideable pressure. I've been lucky so far. what type of bike mounted pump can get me to 110 in a couple (or 4) minutes?
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    You REALLY need to get a floor pump. If you're riding for significant distances, you should top off regularly to avoid pinch-flats. I pump my road bike to 110-120 psi before EVERY ride. Not as much for my commuter bike, but it's got slime tires and fat wheels.
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    LOL. Sounds like my mini crank bros pump... When I moved, I didnt have my air compressor anymore so I had to make due with my mini for a week. Big mistake and a very sore hand. I now have a toepeak JoeBlow 2 and its the best pump I have ever used. Love it to death. And at $39 at performancebike it was a great deal.

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    CO2 Pump FTW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
    I'm impressed you can pump a tire by hand to 110. I have a tiny mini hand pump for emergencies and I only use it to get to a rideable pressure. I've been lucky so far. what type of bike mounted pump can get me to 110 in a couple (or 4) minutes?
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    I have tried like a dozen pumps from blackburns to bontragers and none of the frame pumps get me any better than rideable. The Co2 pump does pretty well and only takes a few seconds. But definitely not good if you are continuously leaking air. Better as a new tube inflation device.
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    The Hurricane works, but that is why I said I had all night to pump it back up.



    Think I'm gonna go with this suspension pump.

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    I have a Serfas FP-50 floor pump at home. It's ok. Got it for the price. Gauge not the most accurate.

    As for pump when I ride, I use a Morph pump which has a flexible tube. It gets me close to 90lb before I run out of steam. I also carry one CO2 with the smallest chuck and use that to fill my tire to higher PSI only after several miles of no-leaks so that I can continue on for my longer distant ride, otherwise it's pretty much leave it at whatever pressure I can achieve and fix it when I get home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddorado View Post
    The Hurricane works, but that is why I said I had all night to pump it back up.



    Think I'm gonna go with this suspension pump.

    Umm, that's a suspension pump for shocks and such, I don't think it is for tire if I'm not mistaken.

    Edit: maybe I'm wrong, I've had heard of some suspension that can be used on tire also, not sure if that model is capable of that? (if it works well, let us know, maybe I'll get one too)
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    The Topeak Road Morph gets me up to 120psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yan View Post
    The Topeak Road Morph gets me up to 120psi.

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    Colleen, you are correct. I saw the yellow dial and just sped past the fact that it was a suspension pump. Yan, I see much said about the Road Morph. Will shop around for it. Thanks!

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    Topeak road morph. 110 PSI isn't much of a problem.

    At home, I use my air compressor (110 PSI in 10 seconds) but I also have a cheap $15 floor pump I bought at a department store. I can hit 110 PSI with it in < 2 minutes. I've used the hell out of it, including once on vacation in the woods I pumped up a car tire with it - that took a while, but it got done. It's still running fine. It's made out of 100% plastic.

    The one I have is an X-factor with a gauge; Amazon has them though I seem to be the only reviewer that thinks much of it. I don't know what people do to pumps that they break them in 5 minutes when the same one is still going strong for me after 5 years.
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    Another one for Road Morph, excellent pump.

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    Lezyne makes some really nice pumps. I've got the road drive, and I've gotten mine up to 100+ psi. The pump is rated up to 160psi, but my arms were pretty pumped up after getting to 100. Like the road morph, the Lezyne pumps have a short hose. I'm not familiar with the road morph coupling system, but the Lezyne threads onto a presta valve so that you don't have to try and hold the nozzle in place while you're pumping up your tire.

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    I use the Topeak Turbo Morph, which does a nice job but is huge and heavy. I need the extra volume for my 29er tires. I can still get 100+ psi out of it when I need to for my skinny tired bikes.

    Glad to hear your tire stopped the goathead. I got a flat with my Panaracer RiBMos with Protex after about 100 miles, which really disappointed me, but they've survived 1500 miles since without incident.

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    Hmm, becoming a pump thread ... a few comments - I use to have trouble getting tires up to a high pressure using the topeak morph because the lock on head kept slipping off and it was a real nuisance to hold it on with one hand while pumping with the other. Solution was to use the pump in schrader mode with a presta valve adapter. It locks much better to the schrader valve and the presta valve adapter threads onto the the tire valve. 120 psi no problem. However, I now have a carry along pump solution I like much better than the road morph - Biologic Zorin Pump. This pump doubles as a seat post and comes in at 450 grams - making it lighter than the sum of most pumps + the seat post. I have no problems reaching 120+ in under a minute. The seat becomes the pump handle, so it allows you to use both hands to pump, greatly reducing the fatigue you get with a one arm pump. It requires no mounting hardware and doesn't clutter up the frame or take up space in your bike bag because it is the seat post. Disadvantages: must use with a presta adapter. The presta adapter that comes with it is junk and should be replaced with one that has a gasket like the Kool Stop. It is a bit of an inconvenience to remove and replace the seat post and if you grease the post you have to be careful not to get your hands greasy. I wish the tube was a little longer but it works once you get used to it. There is no built-in pressure gauge. My work around is to count the number of strokes it takes to get to the desired pressure from zero and then pump that number of strokes after I get a flat. It is a one bolt type seat post and many, including myself, prefer the easier to adjust two bolt system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akohekohe View Post
    Hmm, becoming a pump thread ... a few comments - I use to have trouble getting tires up to a high pressure using the topeak morph because the lock on head kept slipping off and it was a real nuisance to hold it on with one hand while pumping with the other. Solution was to use the pump in schrader mode with a presta valve adapter. It locks much better to the schrader valve and the presta valve adapter threads onto the the tire valve. 120 psi no problem. However, I now have a carry along pump solution I like much better than the road morph - Biologic Zorin Pump. This pump doubles as a seat post and comes in at 450 grams - making it lighter than the sum of most pumps + the seat post. I have no problems reaching 120+ in under a minute. The seat becomes the pump handle, so it allows you to use both hands to pump, greatly reducing the fatigue you get with a one arm pump. It requires no mounting hardware and doesn't clutter up the frame or take up space in your bike bag because it is the seat post. Disadvantages: must use with a presta adapter. The presta adapter that comes with it is junk and should be replaced with one that has a gasket like the Kool Stop. It is a bit of an inconvenience to remove and replace the seat post and if you grease the post you have to be careful not to get your hands greasy. I wish the tube was a little longer but it works once you get used to it. There is no built-in pressure gauge. My work around is to count the number of strokes it takes to get to the desired pressure from zero and then pump that number of strokes after I get a flat. It is a one bolt type seat post and many, including myself, prefer the easier to adjust two bolt system.
    Nice tip on the adapter. Also, I had no idea such a seatpost/pump thingy existed! That is way cool.
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    If you've got a quick release seat post, that looks like a slick set up. You probably don't want to use a $150 saddle for this application but a cool product for sure.

    OK, I guess I didn't spend enough time looking at the pictures. At first it appeard that you placed the saddle on the ground as the "platform", but now I see that the platform is the little flip out thingamajig near the hose/nozzle. Use any saddle you like.
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    What if you need to grease the Biologic Zorin pump as a fusion prevention method?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorsteno View Post
    What if you need to grease the Biologic Zorin pump as a fusion prevention method?
    You don't need to grease the part of the pump from the top of the seat tube to the seat rails nor do you have to grease the bottom of the pump because it has a smaller diameter than the rest of the pump. You just need to be careful when using the pump not to grab it by the greased parts. This is actually not hard to do.
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