Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
(Post 16277301)
I'm working on mine this winter - also a BMZ sports tourer style. Beautiful work - I really like the frame; I hope it rides as good as it looks. I'm working on an odd build - sort of Riv'ish...either stache bars or north roads, barcons, triple on front, light racks, fenders.
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As another member said...the Palo Alto is more the patient man's Riv than the poor man's Riv. I'm looking forward to building this up - still haven't decided on the bar style yet (last choice). I have both. I haven't liked stache' bars in the past, but I'm thinking I can make it work with a tall enough stem. I was going to go for a 1x build, but I'm leaning more triple crank now. I want a Tubus Airy for the rear, but those things are PRICEY.
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Originally Posted by DIMcyclist
(Post 16275852)
If you're not careful, Waterfords can run you a pretty penny- they're very nice bikes. A friend of mine in the Bay Area lost track of his budget with a Waterford ST14 and it ended up costing him fully as much as a fully decked-out Riv (or a Breadwinner for that matter). He loves it, but it cost him almost as much as his Subaru (granted, he did buy the car used). ;)
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Actually a new Hetchins is less expensive as well, if that's your thing.
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Really? I wasn't aware... I've seen a few occasional Mercians hereabouts; they're very beautiful frames. Come to think of it, you can get a full range of options with Gunnar as well.
Although speaking of 'poor man's Rivs' and custom mods, I just received a note the other day from the builder that the modifications (modernizations, actually) on my vintage 650b Panasonic are finally completed. Now I've really got to decide what color(s) to have it painted! BTW, those Palo Altos are real stunners. |
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My latest PMR (which applies to nearly all of my bikes) is an early model Gunnar Crosshairs that I plan to use mainly for commuting. I bought the frame and fork for a good price and swapped parts from another bike, a Gunnar Sport, because I prefer the canti brakes and clearance for larger tires on the cross frame. As a tribute to Rivendell, I installed some Ruffy Tuffy tires on it. Not sure if I am going to install permanent fenders or not since I have some SKS Raceblades that I can use as needed.
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Aaron, you know you don't like upright bars. Why are you considering them here?
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Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16279231)
Aaron, you know you don't like upright bars. Why are you considering them here?
I guess it's really sort of an experiment, and I can always switch to drops again if I don't like the result. I'll tell you Tom - I absolutely LOVE the dirt drop style bars...I think they might be my favorite. I like the angle of the hoods and I like having the drops flared...I find that I use the drops more with that style. |
Very good reasoning, Aaron. It could be that you haven't set up upright bars in a way that work for you except on the triplet. I really do like semi-upright bars for city riding. I can look around more easily, and since I can look around more easily, I do look around more often.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
(Post 16278955)
Actually a new Hetchins is less expensive as well, if that's your thing.
http://www.hetchins.com/pix/osul-01.jpg http://www.hetchins.com/mo-ultra-01.htm |
It varies a little with exchange rates, and it's not remotely a similar product to a Riv. That said, I recall a new Magnum Opus running about 1500ish. I was heavily considering one, but decided to go with my Marnati instead.
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Originally Posted by jkbannon
(Post 16277117)
I recently finished this build, my "poor-man's rivendell" - a late 70s/early 80s Palo Alto branded tourer made by Biemmezeta with columbus tubing in Italy. It still needs its racks, and possibly different handlebars, but I'm almost finished (are we ever finished?).
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=352504http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=352505http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=352506 |
Here's my version of the "PMR", a 1977 Centurion Semi-Professional:
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/a...o/_MG_1673.jpg And this one, in a different vein: http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps992231df.jpg |
Originally Posted by inkandsilver
(Post 16288233)
Wow, that is just beautiful. May I ask what tires those are?
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Originally Posted by Ozonation
(Post 16276167)
The only problem is that I can't fit a fender between the tire and brake, and because the brakes are centre pull, the bridging brackets I've seen for split fenders might not work either. I've been trying to come up with an elegant workaround, but haven't really figured it out yet.
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Originally Posted by corwin1968
(Post 16276628)
I thought the bar made a lot of sense the first time I saw it and in fact, had envisioned something very similar in the past.
http://store.velo-orange.com/media/c.../_/3_4_1_3.jpg |
Originally Posted by Schwinnsta
(Post 16322821)
Who makes that handlebar?
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Originally Posted by corwin1968
(Post 16323454)
Velo Orange. They just went on sale in the last week or two.
Buy them here (or at your LBS) when they're back in stock. $60. They call it Casey's Crazy Bar. I'd love to try one. I imagined one myself, and now it exists. |
Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16323665)
And out of stock already!
Buy them here (or at your LBS) when they're back in stock. $60. They call it Casey's Crazy Bar. I'd love to try one. I imagined one myself, and now it exists. |
Corwin, I also hate 0º sweep, and I expect I would hate 90º sweep as you do. I've had 10º sweep and whatever North Roads are, and I liked them both. I suspect North Roads and these bars have similar sweep angles. So if you're like me, you and I would probably like them.
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Originally Posted by Schwinnsta
(Post 16322807)
Can't just use a longer straddle cable, to give you more clearance?
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Originally Posted by Schwinnsta
(Post 16322807)
Can't just use a longer straddle cable, to give you more clearance?
I forget, but there is about 5 to 6 different lengths of these cables available, the most you could do is go up one size longer than the factory spec'd and then you would still have to road test the bike real well to make sure the bike will stop fast and the amount of force to do so is not objectionable. |
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
(Post 16334326)
You can't just change the straddle cable to a longer cable just because you need clearance. That cable is there to give the brakes a certain degree of mechanical advantage so that the brakes can be applied fairly easily without losing braking efficiency. If you install a longer cable you "could" run into a problem with applying the brakes and not having any brakes unless you squeeze the brakes really hard, the result of the longer cable is called having too little mechanical advantage, and there is a very small margin in this respect one way or the other beyond what the original brake spec'd that cable size for.
I forget, but there is about 5 to 6 different lengths of these cables available, the most you could do is go up one size longer than the factory spec'd and then you would still have to road test the bike real well to make sure the bike will stop fast and the amount of force to do so is not objectionable. |
Originally Posted by Schwinnsta
(Post 16335108)
Other than the cable would be longer, nothing is changed. The brake sees the same force. The cable is longer so there could be a very small amount of cable stretch, but it is too small to be felt. You are lifting the brake handle the same amount. That upward force stays the same. The lever arm is still the same (center of brakes to the arm of brake). If it would give you enough clearance for the fender, go for it.
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Take a look at the Jones Loop Bar. Feels very natural, and offers several different hand positions.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7455/1...2f77587b_n.jpg |
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