As another member said...the Palo Alto is more the patient man's Riv than the poor man's Riv. I'm looking forward to building this up - still haven't decided on the bar style yet (last choice). I have both. I haven't liked stache' bars in the past, but I'm thinking I can make it work with a tall enough stem. I was going to go for a 1x build, but I'm leaning more triple crank now. I want a Tubus Airy for the rear, but those things are PRICEY.