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    Thinks it's still 1991. 1987cp's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by m0thra View Post
    My 1985 Raleigh Kodiak, done on the cheap. I imagine it might ride like an Atlantis.Attachment 390237
    I would be very interested to know how its ride compares to an Atlantis - or more likely in my mind, a Sam Hillborne.

    Nice build, looks a lot like my bike.


    Reminds me, I'm not sure I have recent pictures of my Alyeska in toddler-toting mode ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987cp View Post
    I would be very interested to know how its ride compares to an Atlantis - or more likely in my mind, a Sam Hillborne.

    Nice build, looks a lot like my bike.

    Reminds me, I'm not sure I have recent pictures of my Alyeska in toddler-toting mode ....
    It would be rare to find someone who has ridden both the Raleigh, Atlantis and or the Sam Hillborne, but according to the internet (not the Rivendell site reviews) the Atlantis seems to be favored over the Sam, but that's probably due to people who would go to Rivendell to get a bike have more disposable income and would lean more towards the more expensive Atlantis. Do keep in mind that the Sam pricing hasn't been updated since 2012 on the Rivendell site so I doubt seriously that is still the price. Having said all of that I seriously doubt the Atlantis is worth another $1000 more than the Sam. I also don't think the build kit that Rivendell offers is all that great, they use to have nicer build kits but I think they're struggling with over building and customers not wanting to pay more and losing sales so they toned down the build kit in an attempt to get more customers.

    I also think that any quality vintage lugged steel touring bike will have a similar feel to what the Atlantis and Sam have, so if you being new or used doesn't matter to you then save a boatload of cash and get a vintage bike. You can always upgrade a vintage bike to suit your needs and still be far under the cost of a new bike. My main touring bike is an 85 Schwinn Le Tour Luxe that I ride in it's stock form because it was so well equipped from the factory there isn't any need to change anything except converting from downtube shifters to barend, but so far I haven't had the need to do that.

    If you really prefer a new bike and lugged steel is not a big priority there is a the Kona Sutra which comes with a slightly better build kit than the Sam but with 700c wheels instead of 26, but comes fully ready to tour with racks front and rear plus fenders front and rear. The Kona fully equipped cost about as much as just the build kit for the Sam! But of course it doesn't have the wow look factor of the Sam. See: KONA BIKES | 2014 BIKES | ROAD: FREERANGE | SUTRA
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    A lot of people compare the Sam to a Surly LHT or other similar touring style bike, but I don't think that's actually all that accurate. Even when you compare the geometry of the Sam to others, it doesn't quite match.

    When I picked up my Sam, the dealer (one of the few that actually carried Rivendell - not sure if he still does) indicated that the Sam would probably be good for "short tours" but not extended ones. Even one of my friends who's into racing thought he could go pretty fast on the Sam when he tried it out. The Sam is described by Rivendell as a "country bike" - go anywhere, do anything - within some reasonable limits. The closest I can describe it is some sort of a like a roadish style hybrid, with some gravel grinding and touring thrown in - I guess country bike is pretty accurate.

    As for build kit quality... honestly, I don't have much to compare it to: all I can say is that it rides nice and smooth.
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    I haven't ridden an Atlantis but the weight and geometry of the Sam is different. The Sam is more like a lightweight Hunqapillar. That's why I bought one. I had an LHT, then when I had some "extra" money I upgraded the frame with the Hunqapillar. The Hunq handles a lot differently than the LHT and I love that so much I wanted a lighter, faster version, so I bought a Sam. The Sam is my choice for metric centuries, I just did one last weekend, did 64 miles with 4 hours in the saddle. I don't really try. A faster rider with ambition could easily push Sam over 20MPH. Comparing it to a hybrid is pretty accurate, it's fast enough to be fun, durable enough to ride on anything but single track, and comfortable enough to ride all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozonation View Post
    When I picked up my Sam, the dealer (one of the few that actually carried Rivendell - not sure if he still does) indicated that the Sam would probably be good for "short tours" but not extended ones.
    I agree with this, neither the Atlantis, Sam or even the Rivendell are not really made for heavy long distance type of expedition touring, if you want that kind of bike you need to look at the Koga Miyata World Traveler, Bruce Gordon Rock N Roll Tour EX, or the Thorn Raven. However in todays world camping gear is getting lighter all the time, and to have a bike the caliper of the Koga Miyata, Bruce Gordon, or the Thorn is an overkill for a huge percentage of tourers, unless they simply want the best and price is no object. I still think though that for most people the Kona Sutra would serve any person wanting to tourer for an extended time perfectly fine.
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    Here's another shot of my Poor Man's Riv

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    Agree - Stumpy 1990's era ad poor man's R'dale - nice work. I have my sights o one for that purpose as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irwin7638 View Post
    I haven't ridden an Atlantis but the weight and geometry of the Sam is different. The Sam is more like a lightweight Hunqapillar. That's why I bought one. I had an LHT, then when I had some "extra" money I upgraded the frame with the Hunqapillar. The Hunq handles a lot differently than the LHT and I love that so much I wanted a lighter, faster version, so I bought a Sam. The Sam is my choice for metric centuries, I just did one last weekend, did 64 miles with 4 hours in the saddle. I don't really try. A faster rider with ambition could easily push Sam over 20MPH. Comparing it to a hybrid is pretty accurate, it's fast enough to be fun, durable enough to ride on anything but single track, and comfortable enough to ride all day.
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    Marc... what fenders and what handle bar do you have on your Hunqapillar? I also have Big Bens on my Hunqapillar, but I found there was too little clearance for almost all fenders I tried. Also, did you have a second set of brake levers installed on your handlebars? I ended up getting Albatross bar on my Hunqapillar... not sure if I really want to stay with them, but they're growing on me...

    And what's going on with the handlebar on your Sam? Cool! I'd love to see bigger pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozonation View Post
    Marc... what fenders and what handle bar do you have on your Hunqapillar? I also have Big Bens on my Hunqapillar, but I found there was too little clearance for almost all fenders I tried. Also, did you have a second set of brake levers installed on your handlebars? I ended up getting Albatross bar on my Hunqapillar... not sure if I really want to stay with them, but they're growing on me...

    And what's going on with the handlebar on your Sam? Cool! I'd love to see bigger pictures.
    Those are SKS Velo 55 fenders on the Hunq and Bosco Bars on both bikes. I used the Bullmoose version on the Hunq. I'm sending you a PM.

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    Before I owned a Rivendell, I turned my 2000 Jamis Aurora into a poor man's Rivendell. I could get 32s on it with a set of fenders, canti brakes, mustache bar with dirt drop stem, brooks saddle, I used downtube silver shifters. All in all, it was a very nice riding bike but the wheels I was using (the original sora hub some cheap rimmed wheels that came with the Aurora) started breaking spokes and developed cracks. I still have the frame and have often thought of turning it into a nice commuter...maybe in the future.


    I decided to buy a Riv and waited until the right deal came by. At this time Riv had "memberships," not sure if they do that anymore, but I would get emails with member deals in them and along came an 650b orange 48cm Sam Hillborne frameset with canti brake bosses for 800 bucks. I jumped at the deal and am glad I did.

    The bike is awesome. Here is a recent picture, soon to be changed to a set of albatross bars. I used it for two years as a sort of "go fast" bike but now it permanently has racks and bags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozonation View Post
    Marc... what fenders and what handle bar do you have on your Hunqapillar? I also have Big Bens on my Hunqapillar, but I found there was too little clearance for almost all fenders I tried. Also, did you have a second set of brake levers installed on your handlebars? I ended up getting Albatross bar on my Hunqapillar... not sure if I really want to stay with them, but they're growing on me...

    And what's going on with the handlebar on your Sam? Cool! I'd love to see bigger pictures.

    I'm running Big Bens too (the 2.15" version), I went with 65mm wide SKS fenders and wouldn't want to go any smaller.
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    Here's the poor boy's (or girl's) kiddie Riv - a cheapie from Sears' Free Spirit brand from the late '80s, complete with steel rims and cranks and the Falcon friction shifters you can still get new. I don't recall being aware of these when they were new, but then, I was 7 and my parents were confident my new Schwinn Predator was the bee's knees. I saw this on Fleabay and, never having been aware of anything quite like it, snapped it up almost instantly for my son, who seems to be loving it to bits. Despite the cosmetic dings, it arrived in rideable condition - mostly all it needs is a front derailer cable (which can wait) and front hub service (which probably shouldn't).

    This may be the first bike where I've honestly worried about the possibility of someone stealing it ....

    Last edited by 1987cp; 07-24-14 at 09:53 PM.
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    good for you for continuing the appreciation of touring to your son. Looks like it can carry some gear too.

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    Thanks! I've never actually been on a bicycle tour - but touring bikes are great for running errands in town, which is how we get our cycling in.

    Come to think of it, I just might have chosen one of these over my Predator if I'd been aware of the option at the time ... but they really wanted to get me a Schwinn, which I don't think was doing this sort of thing in 1987.
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