Jamis Aurora vs Surly Long Haul Trucker: Pro Con List?
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I would look at the Surly Cross Check instead.
04-19-10, 07:58 AM
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Is the Cross Check lighter than the LHT? My main concerns are this:
1. Is chain stay on CC long enough that my heals won't hit paniers.
2. Is the headtube (I think this is right name) high/long enough to get handlebars above seat for comfort?
1. Is chain stay on CC long enough that my heals won't hit paniers.
2. Is the headtube (I think this is right name) high/long enough to get handlebars above seat for comfort?
04-19-10, 07:59 AM
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Cross Check ?
Is the Cross Check lighter than the LHT? My main concerns are this:
1. Is chain stay on CC long enough that my heals won't hit paniers.
2. Is the headtube (I think this is right name) high/long enough to get handlebars above seat for comfort?
1. Is chain stay on CC long enough that my heals won't hit paniers.
2. Is the headtube (I think this is right name) high/long enough to get handlebars above seat for comfort?
04-19-10, 09:00 AM
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The CC is lighter than the LHT, but you lose out on the low gearing range unless you plan to replace the drivetrain. Stock low gearing is a 36/25 on the Cross Check.
You might have heel strike issues with the CC, but a longer rack can solve that issue easily. I've used 4gal bucket panniers on mine with a Blackburn Expedition rack and had no issues.
It's possible to set the CC up with the bars above the saddle. You'll probably need a taller stem to do it, though. I have mine level with the saddle, and I used a 25-degree Profile Aris stem to get it there with the stock pre-cut fork and spacer stack.
You might have heel strike issues with the CC, but a longer rack can solve that issue easily. I've used 4gal bucket panniers on mine with a Blackburn Expedition rack and had no issues.
It's possible to set the CC up with the bars above the saddle. You'll probably need a taller stem to do it, though. I have mine level with the saddle, and I used a 25-degree Profile Aris stem to get it there with the stock pre-cut fork and spacer stack.
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True, the CC has a more aggressive stance and as a result the bars will generally set up below the seat. However, my CC came with the steering tube uncut and I left mine extra long so it is possible to set the bars level with the seat or nearly so if I wanted to (but it would look funny). But, I don't like that rigging, I prefer my bar tops at least three inches below the saddle and even more on my "fast" bikes. My CC has a much more upright position than my racers so I am satisfied with it and actually very pleased with the "in between" positioning. I love the thing to pieces.
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Cyclaholic you make some good points. I do have one more question regarding the CC and LHT. I'm digging Surly though.
Does the Cross Check come with an uncut head tube like the LHT so that it could be left very long?
If not would buying a separate LHT fork and putting it on a CC work or is there some bike thing I don't understand that prevents that?
Does the Cross Check come with an uncut head tube like the LHT so that it could be left very long?
If not would buying a separate LHT fork and putting it on a CC work or is there some bike thing I don't understand that prevents that?
04-20-10, 06:03 PM
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I actually just emailed Surly about putting a LHT fork into a CC frame. Allow me to quote:
Yeah, the LHT fork is about 10mm shorter than a TC fork. Not such a big deal, though it will steepen the vertical angles of your bike slightly and chage the handling a little. Nothing worth worrying about, in my opinion.
Besides this, the LHT fork is a bit burlier, so it transfers a bit more road static through the frame that would otherwise be absorbed in the fork. Not a huge deal but worth thinking about if you’re a heavier guy who plans to tour fully loaded over rough terrain.
I will also note that our front rack will retro fit to forks without midblade eyelets.
Besides this, the LHT fork is a bit burlier, so it transfers a bit more road static through the frame that would otherwise be absorbed in the fork. Not a huge deal but worth thinking about if you’re a heavier guy who plans to tour fully loaded over rough terrain.
I will also note that our front rack will retro fit to forks without midblade eyelets.
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