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Old 07-22-10, 05:25 AM   #1
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Knee clicking

While riding my right knee sometimes makes a clicking noise on the down stroke. It is worse while pushing myself up hills, but can happen on flats as well. It seems to last the first mile or two of my commute and then stops. There is no pain associated with the clicking.. It is just very annoying, and has me concerned that I'm potentially causing damage to myself.

I am riding clipless, so am thinking that my cleat angle may be wrong, but I am perfectly comfortable while riding. Just click, click, click, click...

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Old 07-22-10, 07:35 AM   #2
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Almost 10 years ago, I got sidekicked on my knee by some thuds in an unfortunate encounter. My knee healed well but I get the clicking now and then. It's been that way for many years now. No pain or motion compromise, just clicking.

Most likely nothing to be concern with unless you have pain or if your knee buckles on you. Then see your doctor. There is a knee pad that has hinges which you can set for limited motion such that you will not hyperextend your knee. Those hinges is located on the two side and reduce most lateral sideway motion and that I find helpful. When I use this pad, it does cut down on the clicking and makes my knee feel stronger. They sell those at most medical store but the one with motion adjustment is harder to find unless you get it from your doctor.
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I wish clicking sounds were the only noises I make. Unfortunatley I'm a symphony of grunts, pants, belches, clicks, and flatus. Very few of these actually cause me pain, so I'm not too worried about it.
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I get that clicking noise sometimes. I think colder weather is a problem for me. Also 56 years old knees. It clicks a little when I start off. So I go easy and within a couple of minutes it is gone.

Not sure what this is. I also get clicking in my should from time to time.

I have been taking glucosamine for a while now and haven't noticed it lately.
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I had a similar problem years ago when overtraining. Doctor identified ileotibial band inflammation as the problem and prescribed corrective exercises to strengthen the muscles supporting the patella and stretch the band. Haven't had it recur.
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Have you tried changing you seat or cleat position?
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Old 07-23-10, 11:21 AM   #7
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Have you tried changing you seat or cleat position?
I haven't tried fooling with the cleat yet because pedaling wise I'm perfectly comfortable. I have tried different seat positions, though.

Kind of hate to mess with the cleat because I'm the type of person who likes things just so and I know once I fool with it I'll be doing so for weeks.
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Do you do any stretching before you go?

I probably don't know the exact terminology here, but if there is no pain associated with clicking, then it's the little bubbles of air trapped in your ligaments. Those bubbles are created when muscles are not stretched out enough and ligaments and tendons do more movement then necessary. If your muscles get loosened before an activity, then those have a lesser chance of happening.

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Both of my knees often make one click when I first start out on a ride. I actually try to make it happen by extending my leg more than normal on the first few cranks, because once they do click, my knees feel more flexible. They never click again on that ride.
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Do you do any stretching before you go?

I probably don't know the exact terminology here, but if there is no pain associated with clicking, then it's the little bubbles of air trapped in your ligaments. Those bubbles are created when muscles are not stretched out enough and ligaments and tendons do more movement then necessary. If your muscles get loosened before an activity, then those have a lesser chance of happening.
I do not. This was pretty much what I was assuming was going on.. I guess my question is whether or not there is any potential harm? If I don't mind the clicking then can I continue to skip the stretching? Or am I setting myself up for a bunch of joint pain in 10 years?
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[QUOTE=colleen c;11155959]Almost 10 years ago, I got sidekicked on my knee by some thuds in an unfortunate encounter. [QUOTE]

Those nasty b*****ds were thuggish thugs!
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I do not. This was pretty much what I was assuming was going on.. I guess my question is whether or not there is any potential harm? If I don't mind the clicking then can I continue to skip the stretching? Or am I setting myself up for a bunch of joint pain in 10 years?
If you continually strain your muscles and tendons, which could be avoided by some simple stretches, then yes, there is a chance of injury depending on how hard you pedal. What happens is the sudden change of movement. Before you get on the bike your muscles get used to what ever you were doing. Once you start pedalling, there is change of movement which requires a straining repetitive motion involving literally all the muscles from your back to your feet. For those to function properly, they need all the blood and oxygen they can get and stretching is ideal for that. If you don't stretch, your muscles work extra hard to adjust and things that connect muscle to the bone get a very unnecessary strain which could lead to injury.

It takes me about 2 minutes to do some basic stretches before and after. I know it's a drag once you start, but after some time you can see a very positive change. Then it's a hoot.

http://bicycle-training.suite101.com...s_for_cyclists

http://www.totalbike.com/November1999/stretch1.html

http://www.grouptrails.com/Stretches.htm

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I have a slight tear in the meniscus of the right knee and when I sit down for longer than about 5 minutes that knee will pop a little. No pain associated with it and the doc tells me if the knee gets too bad then she can do an arthroscopy on it but so far so good and its been 3 years. I'll have the surgery if I need it but not now. I wonder if those tears ever heal on their own or do they just get worse? Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing?
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Those nasty b*****ds were thuggish thugs!
I am never gonna be a victim again without a good fight! They won that round because I was naive and unaware. Not so today, I am well pack on with non lethal self defense device when I am out riding which I will not hesitate to use. Action now, ask question later. My previous incidence is something I would like to forget but that only put me back as being naive, so I use it as a reminder to keep my gaurds up.



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I have a slight tear in the meniscus of the right knee and when I sit down for longer than about 5 minutes that knee will pop a little. No pain associated with it and the doc tells me if the knee gets too bad then she can do an arthroscopy on it but so far so good and its been 3 years. I'll have the surgery if I need it but not now. I wonder if those tears ever heal on their own or do they just get worse? Anyone have any experience with this sort of thing?
My doctor did tell me that some Meniscus tear does heal without having to do the surgery, but he did do a MRI on my knee just to be sure if I did had a tear or not. As I recalled, a bad tear will cause you knee to locked up and that's when you will need to have the tear cut out.
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Sure you have the seat at the correct height? too low and you are straining your knees.
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I had a similar problem years ago when overtraining. Doctor identified ileotibial band inflammation as the problem and prescribed corrective exercises to strengthen the muscles supporting the patella and stretch the band. Haven't had it recur.
Same, noticed it when I was a HS freshman and over-training for track, so it's not a geezer thing. It didn't really hurt until sophomore year. Then it was really sore on longer runs. I went to the doc and was prescribed some exercises. Get a foam roller, you'll want to cry in the beginning, but it's worth it in the end.
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So I stretched this morning before setting out and no clicking. Ta-Da! Probably should have been a no-brainer.. I turned 30 this year and I should be recognizing that my body isn't quite as capable of just doing stuff unprepared as it once was.
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I think its probably the cones, pitted perhaps, buy some new ones....

as for stretching, everyone is diff, I learned that for myself, stretching beforehand wasnt good, but after 45mins into a long ride (or cross country ski for that matter) a couple of min stretch helped my knees immensely, and a post ride (or ski) slow gentle stretch session has always been really really good for helping everything, and really really important in general as you train more and more, as it helps with all muscle flexibility and them getting stronger as the weeks go by.

as for age, seems each decade or so you gotta take care of it so the "isnt quite as capable of just doing stuff unprepared as it once was" isnt so bad.
but seriously, regular stretching is a really good habit to get into, at whatever age, I am closer to 50 than 40 now but strive to be like the old French guys (70 years+) I would see biking on Sunday mornings in a pack while I was doing bike touring in France. Numerous times groups would go past me on race bikes with me on my fully loaded touring bike, and there would always be a number of older gents, inspiring actually.
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I have that issue sometimes when I set my seat too low. Always goes a way when set higher.
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