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Old 07-26-10, 12:22 PM   #1
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Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700x28 size

Hi you all,
I just got a pair of Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700x28 to be installed on my road to commuter frame bike. As I guessed, they touch the frame at the road brake central attachment point. They measure 30mm from bead to thread at its highest point. My current 700x23 Armadillos 25mm. Any of you can tell me the real height and size of your puncture proof tires when out of the bike?
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Hi Cristobal,

The Marathon and Durano Plus tires are the two tires in our line that routinely are taller than they are wide. The additional layer of puncture protection causes this. The Marathon Plus and the Durano Plus are available in a 25c width. Whether this helps or not will depend on how badly the 28s are rubbing on the brake mount. Is your bike more or less considered a sport/racing model?
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I tried a 700 x 28 size Marathon Plus on the back wheel of one of my bikes (the bike originally came with 700 x 25 size) and had the same "rub" in the area where the brake attaches. I exchanged it for a 700 x 25 and it fit fine. The 700 x 25 Marathon Plus looks to be about the same size (when it is mounted on the rim) as my cheapish thinner-skinned training tires that I often use on my front wheels. (I just did a very rough measurement on my 700 x 25 Marathon Plus and it seems to top out at about 24-25 mm above the rim). I assume the rim width is going to determine the tire height to some degree and I don't know the rim width offhand.

To be fair to the MP tire, I tried mounting a "regular" 700 x 28 tire on another bike (that originally came with 700 x 25 tires) and it didn't fit either, so (as was stated above and as I've read before) some bikes (especially those marketed as "racers") are not designed to fit a 700 x 28.

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Hi Cristobal,

The Marathon and Durano Plus tires are the two tires in our line that routinely are taller than they are wide. The additional layer of puncture protection causes this. The Marathon Plus and the Durano Plus are available in a 25c width. Whether this helps or not will depend on how badly the 28s are rubbing on the brake mount. Is your bike more or less considered a sport/racing model?
Hi, Guy,
Thanks for your kind answer. My bike is more a sport racing. It is a 2004 Commenšal Stewart Road frame turned into a commuter. So, it is clear that the mistake is mine, not from Schwalbe. I currently run 700x23 Armadillos, a very harsh option for daily use. I wanted to swap to Marathons in a wider measure aiming to a plushier ride and same (or better) puncture protection. Guessed that the wider the better. So, I went from Spain to London for a business trip and got them at Evans Cycles. When back home, I checked that they rub the brake/frame point. With the Armadillos (25 mm tall from bead to thread) there is a 5-7 mm gap between thread and frame. The 28 Marathons (30 mm tall) rub the brake mount (Grrrrrr!!!!!!) Could you check the tallness of a 700x25 Marathon?.
Kind people at Schwalbe, by the way.
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Old 08-08-10, 05:09 AM   #5
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Hi,
I checked that lowering the front wheel axle a bit out of the fork dropout the tire gives up rubbering. Thus the axle wouldn't be place at the end of the dropout but firmly tighten. Do you think that the axle would slide till the end of the dropout when hitting a pothole? You can easily imagine the disaster.
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i would never mount the front wheel anywhere except deep in the fork.
Loosing your front wheel is fine if you're good at flying
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FWIW, I found that a 28mm Marathon Plus is taller than a 28mm Continental SportContact. I was able to fit wheels equipped with the Contis on my mountain bike (they came on a Cannondale Bad Boy, and for the heck of it, I put them into my Cannondale Rush, and the tires juuust cleared the brace in the rear suspension), but another set of wheels with the Marathons wouldn't fit.

I'd go with the 25mm Marathon Pluses if I were you and wanted to keep that level of flat protection. Definitely don't mount the wheel in the fork halfway.
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Hi,
Thanks for your wise advice. I guessed I shouldn't do it. The problem is that in Spain is difficult to find anything different from 700x23, very racing here, you know. I will avoid placing the axle halfway the dropout length. Better cycling than flying.
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One more thing. Did you hear about a sort of half moon shaped spacer to be fitted in the dropout that allows you to place the axle safely a bit outside?
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The problem is that in Spain is difficult to find anything different from 700x23, very racing here, you know.
Why not buy on-line? Here's some good UK on-line stores:

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Hi, Imi,
Thanks for your help. Got them from Evans Cycles. I cannot store parts and I prefer to seize them or sell them before getting new ones.
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Well, hate to say it, but you're going to have to get something else. Doesn't matter what you do with those Schwalbes now; they just don't fit on the bike.
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Hi, Barrack,
Agree with you.
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I've got Continental GP 4 Seasons on my commuter bike in size 700 x 28, and they measure 25 mm tall. Conti now makes Gatorskins in 28 (as well as 23 and 25), and they should make a great commuting tire. I assume that the 28 Gatorskins would be the same height as the GP 4 Seasons. They also would be lighter than the Schwalbe Marathons.
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Unfortunately, no one can really tell you exactly how tall a new tire will be, either. I personally found out that hard way that a different wheel can change the height of the tire (if the space for the tire on the wheel is wider or narrower, it changes how tall the tire gets when inflated).

I needed a new front wheel and a new tire. The shop put a 28c tire on a 700c wheel they had and put it on my bike - it was tight, but it fit. So I ordered a new wheel, and the reflective-sidewall version of the same tire. When it got there, I mounted it and it rubbed - the wheel was slightly different than the wheel they had put on originally. So I had to order the 25c version of the tire which fit.

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Unfortunately, no one can really tell you exactly how tall a new tire will be, either. I personally found out that hard way that a different wheel can change the height of the tire (if the space for the tire on the wheel is wider or narrower, it changes how tall the tire gets when inflated).

I needed a new front wheel and a new tire. The shop put a 28c tire on a 700c wheel they had and put it on my bike - it was tight, but it fit. So I ordered a new wheel, and the reflective-sidewall version of the same tire. When it got there, I mounted it and it rubbed - the wheel was slightly different than the wheel they had put on originally. So I had to order the 25c version of the tire which fit.

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Hi, Paul,
Absolutely agree with you. Trial and error.
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I've got Continental GP 4 Seasons on my commuter bike in size 700 x 28, and they measure 25 mm tall. Conti now makes Gatorskins in 28 (as well as 23 and 25), and they should make a great commuting tire. I assume that the 28 Gatorskins would be the same height as the GP 4 Seasons. They also would be lighter than the Schwalbe Marathons.
Hi, Tar,

I am looking for puncture resistant tires. You know that Marathons and similars are quete heavy but bomb proof. I don't want to repair a puncture while dressing my suit and tie. Do you think that Gators will be more or less as effective as dedicated tires?
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Hi, Tar,

I am looking for puncture resistant tires. You know that Marathons and similars are quete heavy but bomb proof. I don't want to repair a puncture while dressing my suit and tie. Do you think that Gators will be more or less as effective as dedicated tires?
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I haven't actually used Gatorskins, but I've got a new pair of them sitting in my garage. They have a reputation for being very durable and flat resistant, but I doubt if they are more so than Schwalbe Marathons. A lot depends on your roads. If your roads have a lot of glass and other debris that cause frequent flats, you might want to go for the Marathons. My roads are more hilly than debris-ridden, so I prefer a lighter tire like the Gatorskins or 4 Seasons.
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The Panaracer Pasela TG tire is also a pretty good tire though I think the sidewalls on the Schwalbes (Marathon and Marathon Plus) are tougher. I haven't tested carefully, but the Schwalbes and Panaracers appear to be about the same diameter. On my Cannondale, 25mm of either will work, 28mm will not. Have some older Armadillo tires in 26mm and they fit fine, but variation in tires labeled the same across brands is common.
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