I see REI has these in stock again. I bought a pair last year and love them for cool temps and light rain or fog. I have ridden in these pants down into the low 40's and they kept me warm. They do repel water but I think if it were raining hard I might get wet. Front of pants are windproof and the back is pretty bretheable. I don't know how they would be in frigid temps like a lot of you get back in the midwest but for here in the Seattle/Tacoma area they are really nice. Plus they aren't skin tight but just snug. I don't work for REI but I do like this particular item so I bought another pair and I'm gonna get my wife a pair too.