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operator 10-13-04 04:35 PM

How do you secure panniers even better?
 
Got a pair of panniers recently. The ones that just hook onto your rack with a rail from the top and a longish metal hook on the bottom.

It fell off during my commute once and now I can never really bike knowing that it *might* fall off if I hit a hard bump. Are there any homemmade/aftermarket securing solutions I can take a look at?

520commuter 10-13-04 05:20 PM

Zip ties work great, atleast if you don't plan on removing the panniers often. For increased security all also have two minilocks to lock the zippers together so that they can't be opened without a key (or knife).

areles 10-14-04 03:20 AM

Operator,

Take a look at the Arkel hook kit ($20). They have a swivel lock.
http://www.panniers.com/panniers/acc...kkit.asp?site=

Areles

bsyptak 10-14-04 07:26 AM

Sounds to me like it's just not tight enough. There should be a way to tighten the nylon strapping between the bottom hook and upper rail. Mine never move.

operator 10-14-04 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bsyptak
Sounds to me like it's just not tight enough. There should be a way to tighten the nylon strapping between the bottom hook and upper rail. Mine never move.

Yep i've tightened them even more now. That arkel system looks interesting with the swivel lock thing.

RainmanP 10-14-04 09:51 AM

I can also attest to the security of the Arkel suspension system. Your suspension sounds like the Performance Epic panniers I had. It was extremely difficult to get the hook strap cinched up tight enough. I don't remember exactly, but I seem to recall that because the strap was behind the pannier I couldn't seem to get the right angle to get all the slack out of the strap. I eventually sent them back.

MichaelW 10-14-04 10:38 AM

hook and elastic is so 1970's. Modern systems (like the Rixen and Kaul clickfix, or Ortleib)use hooks at the top with a locking mechanism and and anti-sway hook that looks like a kind of doorhandle. These clip-on systems enable you to fit or remove panniers in seconds without having to fiddle around behind the bag.
If you do have a hook and elastic system, then you can shorten the elastic with a knot. Check your rack to see that you are hooking into the most effective mounting point.

Merriwether 10-14-04 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by operator
Got a pair of panniers recently. The ones that just hook onto your rack with a rail from the top and a longish metal hook on the bottom.

I too recommend the Arkel hardware kit. It's *solid*, and easy to install on any other panniers.

It's good you're asking about this, too. I wouldn't ride with panniers in the condition you describe. You're asking for trouble. I assume these panniers are in the rear. If they're in the front, you're in a *very* dangerous situation!

sbhikes 10-14-04 12:15 PM

I have the Jandd grocery sack style pannier and it fell off a few times, which is quite scary. What I did is bolt the thing on to the rack. I drilled holes in the stiff plastic stuff (ruined the drill bits, man that stuff is hard), then I bolted it in place using these U shaped bolts that have a nut on both ends.

It's not pretty but gets the job done exceedingly well. That thing ain't coming off.

Al Dolat 11-01-04 04:58 PM

have you seen the pannier bags that Biria makes? They have twp security clips that locks in the pannier onto the rack rails, so it cannot fall even on bumps. Real nice. See the pannier bag on this page http://www.biria.com/parts/bags/. It comes with an attahced rain cover too. You'll like it. And they even sell it individually.

Jay H 11-01-04 06:11 PM

I have a set of Carradice Super Cs and they are a little like the Arkels in that the hooks that go along the rail go completely around the rail so there is no way they can fall off. They can only rotate around the rail or slide back and forth depending on the lower hook..

Short of buying new panniers or replacing the connections, you can always try some small bungee cords or zip ties for a more permanent solution.

Jay

operator 11-01-04 06:44 PM

I'm probably going to either buy that arkel system
or get new serratus panniers from MEC.

$30 vs $100.

Ya Tu Sabes 11-02-04 11:10 AM

Bungee cords. Cheap, reliable, and ghetto-fabulous.

phillybill 11-02-04 11:45 AM

Had the same problem with the performance panniers that RainmanP had. Left my laptop on the road a few to many time. I switched over to Arkel utility basket with their security locking system and have not had a problem since.

Rogerinchrist 11-02-04 06:48 PM

A small piece of wire?
EZ on EZ off.
Sorry if this is too simple, but this comes from a guy with a simple mind?

propagandrew 11-02-04 06:58 PM

Ditto, I had one fall off when I stood to pedal hard once and now just use one bungee horizontally across the bag. Havent had any troubles since. Nice too in case you find something sweet along the road and have to strap it to the rack, you have a bungee you can use.

mjw16 11-02-04 07:46 PM

I have some Transit Epic panniers (from Performance) that are largely a good set for credit card touring. However, even when tightened as much as possible, a good bump will knock one or the other loose-very frustrating especially given how difficult they can be to install or remove. I secure mine with a tie wrap or two placed diagonaly or criss-crossed over at least one of the top hooks (usually it's the front that comes loose). Although this system works, it's not practical if you remove them daily, of course over 4 day of touring I never remove them.

BeTheChange 11-02-04 10:05 PM

I love my arkel panniers for commuting. I didn't know panniers could come off when you ride if that is any testament to how well the hook system works. I also jump off of curbs and stupid stuff like that with both rear panniers loaded and they never give me any trouble. Good luck.

Rogerinchrist 11-02-04 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BeTheChange
I love my arkel panniers for commuting. I didn't know panniers could come off when you ride if that is any testament to how well the hook system works. I also jump off of curbs and stupid stuff like that with both rear panniers loaded and they never give me any trouble. Good luck.

What type of Arkel pannier do you have?

markw 11-02-04 10:53 PM

Arkels are the bomb for panniers. I would run a single T-42, a Bug, or that grocery basket thing. http://www.panniers.com is the arkel site.

HillCusser 07-24-08 08:40 PM

Simple is good.
 
I tie a braided piece of shock cord between the top handles of my old '85 C-dale panniers (w/square knot): should a bag somehow come off (they never have), the other bag would keep it on the bike - cheap insurance!

coldfeet 07-24-08 09:34 PM

How about these?

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_d...=1216956730106

Or these?

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_d...=1216956730105

I just bought the first ones, I'll let you know how they work.

ews 07-25-08 08:02 AM

I have that problem with Trek Interchange panniers (which suck BTW . . . no one should ever buy those things). I use a bungee and a carebiner (sp?). I have a bungee strapped to my rack at all times in case I bring something extra with me (e.g., running shoes, beer). Clip the carebiner to a loop on pannier (add a tie to a zipper if necessary) and then to the bungee. Easy and costs a couple bucks.

This may not stop the pannier from coming loose, but it won't fall off.

JR97 07-25-08 09:21 AM

I use my ginormous handlebar bag on my rear rack as a pannier all the time with the velcro loops. I don't see why putting 2 or 3 velcro loops on panniers as backup attachments wouldn't work.

bwinton 07-25-08 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldfeet (Post 7129508)
How about these?

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_d...=1216956730106

I just bought the first ones, I'll let you know how they work.

I've got the first ones as well, and they've been good to me. They're a little tricky to install, and as a result of my not-totally-clean installation job, my panniers are a little harder to put on than they used to be, but once they're on, they're never coming off. Not even when I hit a bump and go flying with my bike sailing over my head and skidding down the road.


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