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gr8fzy1 12-28-10 01:53 PM

Noseless Saddle+Roadbike=Confusion
 
Hello everyone, I am in need of some tips. I recently purchased a Noseless Saddle ( Shwinn Deluxe Noseless ) for my bike (An old Royce Union 14 speed) and I am running into problems setting it up. Is there some sort of correct angle for the seat that I'm just not getting? If I lean it too far forwards, I start sliding down onto the crossbar unless I rest my weight on my wrists, but if I don't tilt it ENOUGH, I get the sensation that I'm sitting on a bar as I peddle and it interferes with hamstring movement.

Any help would be appreciated.

texas2wheel 12-28-10 02:29 PM

switch back to a traditional style seat, I've tried most of the seat designs over the years, and the one that always wins is the one they've been making for over 100 years.......Brooks!

caloso 12-28-10 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gr8fzy1 (Post 11994170)
Hello everyone, I am in need of some tips. I recently purchased a Noseless Saddle ( Shwinn Deluxe Noseless ) for my bike (An old Royce Union 14 speed) and I am running into problems setting it up. Is there some sort of correct angle for the seat that I'm just not getting? If I lean it too far forwards, I start sliding down onto the crossbar unless I rest my weight on my wrists, but if I don't tilt it ENOUGH, I get the sensation that I'm sitting on a bar as I peddle and it interferes with hamstring movement.

Any help would be appreciated.

I think this is the reason they've never caught on.

RichardGlover 12-28-10 03:02 PM

That looks like a fine seat for a bike where you sit upright, riding slow speeds in the park for relatively short distances. Say, a beach cruiser.

But if you want speed, or distance, or want to lean forward at all, I'd say take it back to WalMart.

alan s 12-28-10 03:13 PM

I think that type of seat works best on a unicycle.

Seattle Forrest 12-28-10 04:57 PM

Looks like I'm not the first person to see this and think unicycle.

I had a saddle that was tiled downward in the nose, and it took me longer than I'd like to admit, to figure out why my shoulders hurt so much. I was sliding forward, and using muscles in my arms and shoulders to hold myself up against the bars. If you're on a road bike, though, you're going to be leaning forward; you've already found out why road bike saddles have such narrow noses.

Personally, I don't think that one is ever going to work. I'd take it back if I were you.

Grim 12-28-10 07:07 PM

I ride on occasion with a guy that swears by them. according to what he told me when I was talking with him about it it is critical that the bike be the right size. You have to have the seat far enough back that you can take your hands off the bars and sit up. Basically you have to get you center of gravity farther back.

Interestingly enough this is the same points Sheldon Brown makes when you are getting issues a numbness in the first place. You seat is too far forward and or stem is too long.
http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-sizing.html

FunkyStickman 12-28-10 07:38 PM

These don't work well on traditional diamond-frame bikes. I have one on my chopper, but the crank is very far forward and the seat is very low, so the back of my thighs doesn't go low enough to rub on the front of the seat. They use these on Rans' line of "crank forward" bikes, and for good reason. It's like sitting on a sofa.

Sadly, a traditional saddle would work best on a traditional bike. To make this one comfortable, you'll have to lower it to where your thighs don't hit.

HardyWeinberg 12-28-10 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardGlover (Post 11994526)
That looks like a fine seat for a bike where you sit upright, riding slow speeds in the park for relatively short distances. Say, a beach cruiser.

+1

irclean 12-29-10 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FunkyStickman (Post 11995639)
These don't work well on traditional diamond-frame bikes. I have one on my chopper, but the crank is very far forward and the seat is very low, so the back of my thighs doesn't go low enough to rub on the front of the seat. They use these on Rans' line of "crank forward" bikes, and for good reason. It's like sitting on a sofa...

FunkyStickman nails it here; those saddles only make sense on crank-forward bikes, or when combined with a back rest on a 'bent. Otherwise they make great replacements for the worn-out seat on your lawn tractor.

Chris_in_Miami 12-29-10 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by alan s (Post 11994578)
I think that type of seat works best on a unicycle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 11995013)
Looks like I'm not the first person to see this and think unicycle.

You need to be able to squeeze the saddle between your thighs on a uni, this saddle wouldn't allow you to do that. I do like the lawn tractor idea, it reminds me of the seat that's on my Craftsman...

gr8fzy1 01-04-11 04:15 PM

Thank you for all the thoughts and opinions. I have since brought it back to Walmart, and instead bought one of these Shwinn Adult Ergonomic saddles from K-Mart instead http://www.ergonomics-info.com/image...icyle-seat.jpg

It's a little bit higher in the back than my old seat, so I had to lower the post a smidge, but it fits me great and I'm really liking that little cooling groove in the middle. I doubt that's what it was designed for but, hey it works!

Thank you for your time!

fietsbob 01-04-11 06:53 PM

Only rider I ever met that got the noseless 2 pad type thing to work for them
didn't sit on it..
instead their weight was on the pedals, and the seat was something
they leaned against.

that one may be better suited to a barstool. :beer:

Chris_in_Miami 01-04-11 08:16 PM

Glad you found something suitable! I had a cheap Serfas saddle with a similar shape and was amazed at how comfy it was, the cutout does a great job of keeping pressure off the important bits.

tjspiel 01-24-11 09:57 AM

I don't think a nose is necessary for control just like a skeg isn't necessary for water skis. Trick skis typically don't have them because they make tricks more difficult. Much of BMX riding is done standing and the seat can get in the way of the kinds of things they do.

I guess what I'm saying is that while a nose isn't necessary for control, just like a skeg isn't necessary for water skiing, it's still nice to have for conventional riding. BMX is a different deal.


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