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Old 02-28-11, 10:29 AM   #1
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Ok, N+1 may be getting a little high

Are you guys as crazy about collecting bikes as I have become? I am one of those guys who think that if 1 is good, 1+N must be N+1 times better! It is killing my pocket book and I really need to make a change.

I have hit the point now where I am just thinking that I have too damn many bikes. This is not so much because I don't love them or ride them; it is because it is very expensive to build and maintain a lot of bikes. I would just like to go on a ski trip or do some big rides instead of always throwing money into better parts for these bikes.

Here is the stable.
  • Specialized Tarmac Pro (kick-A$$ group ride machine; no commuting duty)
  • Giant TCR0 (not really sure why I own this bike but it is my winter group ride bike)
  • Kona Major Jake (sees a lot of racing & commuting; currently has a broken der hanger)
  • Kona Jake the Snake (cx pit bike/primary commuter; currently being built up to relieve the MJ of commuting duty)
  • Peugot 1982 gaspipe road bike (1X9), don't ride very much
  • Giant NRS1 (MTB; minimal commute but I do race this bike)
  • Jamis explorer (full rigid 1990s mtb: kid hauler, neighborhood cruiser)

Honestly, I am just completely cash strapped every month trying to reach/maintain my ideal builds on all of these bikes.

I am building the JTS out to match the 9 speed on the MJ for a lot of reasons (Mostly racing related). Just ordered DA 7700 shifters for her. Will need saddle, seatpost, stem and rear der but is pretty much all spec'd out.

I have an opportunity to update the TCR with 10 speed for $200 but I can't really think of a good reason to do it other than to have the 10 speed build kit ready for when I bring both cx racers up to 10 speed as 9 speed gets harder to find. If I did this, I could sell the old 9 speed kit and recover $100 or so. So going to 10 speed for $100 is almost a no brainer even though it will cash strap me AGAIN.

I don't like having this obsession control me this way. AARGH!
Thanks for hearing me vent at myself.
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Old 02-28-11, 10:50 AM   #2
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I've been kicking around the idea of racing CX next fall and if I did, I'd need another bike. Right now I have two and that's really all I want to maintain but in my mind I could easily justify three, - four if you add in a CX bike.

I keep track of how much money I spend on bike related stuff each year and it's a significant amount.
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Eh, just take a break on the parts ordering.

N+1 is the perfect number.

Then again, I've been having to hold back myself - keep seeing shiny bikes I'd love to own - then I remember I'm in the middle of building my trike.
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When care and feeding of n+1 approaches budget+1, you just need to prioritize which gets left behind that month. Or that season. Or whatever it takes to make it work.
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It is Ok to have too much bike, but not ok to have too much car.
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Are you guys as crazy about collecting bikes as I have become? I am one of those guys who think that if 1 is good, 1+N must be N+1 times better! It is killing my pocket book and I really need to make a change.

I have hit the point now where I am just thinking that I have too damn many bikes. This is not so much because I don't love them or ride them; it is because it is very expensive to build and maintain a lot of bikes. I would just like to go on a ski trip or do some big rides instead of always throwing money into better parts for these bikes.

Here is the stable.

  • Specialized Tarmac Pro (kick-A$$ group ride machine; no commuting duty)
  • Giant TCR0 (not really sure why I own this bike but it is my winter group ride bike)
  • Kona Major Jake (sees a lot of racing & commuting; currently has a broken der hanger)
  • Kona Jake the Snake (cx pit bike/primary commuter; currently being built up to relieve the MJ of commuting duty)
  • Peugot 1982 gaspipe road bike (1X9), don't ride very much
  • Giant NRS1 (MTB; minimal commute but I do race this bike)
  • Jamis explorer (full rigid 1990s mtb: kid hauler, neighborhood cruiser)


Honestly, I am just completely cash strapped every month trying to reach/maintain my ideal builds on all of these bikes.

I am building the JTS out to match the 9 speed on the MJ for a lot of reasons (Mostly racing related). Just ordered DA 7700 shifters for her. Will need saddle, seatpost, stem and rear der but is pretty much all spec'd out.

I have an opportunity to update the TCR with 10 speed for $200 but I can't really think of a good reason to do it other than to have the 10 speed build kit ready for when I bring both cx racers up to 10 speed as 9 speed gets harder to find. If I did this, I could sell the old 9 speed kit and recover $100 or so. So going to 10 speed for $100 is almost a no brainer even though it will cash strap me AGAIN.

I don't like having this obsession control me this way. AARGH!
Thanks for hearing me vent at myself.
Wanna sell me your 9 speed group for $100?
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Old 02-28-11, 11:20 AM   #7
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I don't really have that much of a problem -- unless you ask my wife.

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It is Ok to have too much bike, but not ok to have too much car.
I have a cousin with a garage that could probably store 100 cars if they arranged them correctly. I like cars, but I just can't see collecting them.
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Old 02-28-11, 12:27 PM   #8
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Riiiight....
Like Charlie Sheen... you can quit this habit anytime..
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Old 02-28-11, 12:33 PM   #9
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That's why I as I get a new bike, I sell an old one.
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If only I had this problem. I consider myself lucky to have one bike right now. It's been a saga just getting to the point I am now where that one bike is going to finally be a bike of good quality and not just a BSO. I could maybe make room to store one more bike in my apt. building's basement/utility room, but I doubt I'd be able to convince my wife that it's needed.

FWIW, I do dream sometimes. If I were to go N+1, I think it'd be a 1x_ or a SS setup on an old Peugeot frame...
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Old 02-28-11, 02:39 PM   #11
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My next goal is to get down to 5 bikes. It sounds like you actually ride all the ones you have so thats good. I can't always say that. I just want fewer bikes that I can spend a bit of time and money on to ride instead of a bunch of bikes that I don't ride.
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Old 02-28-11, 02:44 PM   #12
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Thats why you just pretend you only own the ones you ride and just forget about the ones you don't ride Ive got three I ride, and about 10-15 in various stages of completeness in a storage unit I at this point don't even remember what I have.
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Old 02-28-11, 03:27 PM   #13
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These N+1 threads always make me happy about one thing in my life.

I have no spouse to control my habit.

oh @ Fizzally: I completed my friend's drop bar mtb last night. She'll be riding it around BSU. Just an FYI, since now we know of at least two drop bar MTB's in town!
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Old 02-28-11, 04:18 PM   #14
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I saw a girl last week on a rockhopper with drop bars at the albertsons on orchard I wasn't sure if it was the one you built up or not. Also I have two dropbar MTB's now
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Here is a quick shout out to my fellow Boise commuters. I am running mostly along Ustick/chinden from Meridian Road to SUPERVALU downtown.
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Yay boise, Im a bench to downtown commuter mostly vista/kootenai
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I saw a girl last week on a rockhopper with drop bars at the albertsons on orchard I wasn't sure if it was the one you built up or not. Also I have two dropbar MTB's now
Ah, probably wasn't her. She's also a very goth looking sort, so she stands out a bit. The one I built her is a Hard Rock, but it's had all the logo's and stickers removed. It's also bright effing red, and would have had shiny steel handlebars on it at the time. I just got it back to wrap the bars last night. She rides it from the South side of Overland to BSU. (Which she was WALKING every day before I built her this bike, cut her commute down from an hour to 30 some minutes).

Ha! Sawtooth! Hiya! I don't ride everyday, but when I do (several days a week) I'm taking garden to the greenbelt which then takes me all the way to HP.

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It was bright red but it still had logos and bar tape, look out girls all over boise are riding drop bar MTB's
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N+1 is only a problem when the budget gets in the way, or you run out of storage and have to sleep in the yard

BTW according to the official bike counter, I have 30 bikes here at home...but I think she might have missed a couple

I will be thinning the herd, maybe, but then again maybe not.

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still keep the DIY light touring frameset I built in '76.
has gone thru several setup changes since then.
currently ..Upright posture.. ..

Folding bike, last +1, does take up very little room..

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Pfft. You're not even close to N+1. You haven't even scratched the surface, much less plunged down the slippery slope of Vintage Steel.

When N+1 reaches multiples of 10, then you've got some thinking to do. Mind you, I work in a used-bicycle shop where I can trade hours for parts and frames, so my perspective might be a bit skewed.
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Been thinking about getting another bike (or two) recently. I suppose getting a fat tax return back didn't help.

My next bike (I think) will be a drop-bar road bike with disk brakes, for weekend group rides and fast commuting. I'll continue to use the MTB as my commuting "dirty girl."
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I've been kicking around the idea of racing CX next fall and if I did, I'd need another bike. Right now I have two and that's really all I want to maintain but in my mind I could easily justify three, - four if you add in a CX bike.

I keep track of how much money I spend on bike related stuff each year and it's a significant amount.
Whoa! NO WAY I'd do that! My wife might see that list sometime! I prefer to not know myself!
I'm actually giving away an old 70's Raleigh mixte to a friend to build up, and about to sell my 81 Miyata, because I just don't ride it much, having other bikes I've set up in a more favorable way for my needs/wants.
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Ha, heaven!

I think in my rockhopper research there was one rockhopper edition that came with drop bars?

Back to N+1 - I only list the bikes I ride! Nevermind what's lurking in the garage, that is the wrong size, but just too freaking cool to get rid of without putting in some love first.
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Are you guys as crazy about collecting bikes as I have become? I am one of those guys who think that if 1 is good, 1+N must be N+1 times better! It is killing my pocket book and I really need to make a change.

I have hit the point now where I am just thinking that I have too damn many bikes. This is not so much because I don't love them or ride them; it is because it is very expensive to build and maintain a lot of bikes. I would just like to go on a ski trip or do some big rides instead of always throwing money into better parts for these bikes.

Here is the stable.
  • Specialized Tarmac Pro (kick-A$$ group ride machine; no commuting duty)
  • Giant TCR0 (not really sure why I own this bike but it is my winter group ride bike)
  • Kona Major Jake (sees a lot of racing & commuting; currently has a broken der hanger)
  • Kona Jake the Snake (cx pit bike/primary commuter; currently being built up to relieve the MJ of commuting duty)
  • Peugot 1982 gaspipe road bike (1X9), don't ride very much
  • Giant NRS1 (MTB; minimal commute but I do race this bike)
  • Jamis explorer (full rigid 1990s mtb: kid hauler, neighborhood cruiser)

Honestly, I am just completely cash strapped every month trying to reach/maintain my ideal builds on all of these bikes.

I am building the JTS out to match the 9 speed on the MJ for a lot of reasons (Mostly racing related). Just ordered DA 7700 shifters for her. Will need saddle, seatpost, stem and rear der but is pretty much all spec'd out.

I have an opportunity to update the TCR with 10 speed for $200 but I can't really think of a good reason to do it other than to have the 10 speed build kit ready for when I bring both cx racers up to 10 speed as 9 speed gets harder to find. If I did this, I could sell the old 9 speed kit and recover $100 or so. So going to 10 speed for $100 is almost a no brainer even though it will cash strap me AGAIN.

I don't like having this obsession control me this way. AARGH!
Thanks for hearing me vent at myself.
Just keep the Tarmac, Jake the Snake, and the MTB. The rest are pretty much overlap; Get rid of them.

(BTW, what size is the Peugot?)
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