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    Do you commute through trendy parts of town? If so, watch out.

    Just a public service reminder. Last night the girlfriend and I were walking through a trendy district with a lot of restaurants, clubs, coffee shops, and the like. It was pelting rain. We heard a loud noise, looked over, and saw (1) a hipster laying sideways on the hood of somebody's car like a trophy deer, and (2) a fixie lying in the road. The cyclist kept saying "I'm OK" between groans, so, my GF called the police, who showed up in minutes. The driver kept saying "I just didn't see you."

    Now, anyone who's driven at night, in the rain, knows how hard it is. This part of town has little parking and lots of pedestrians, so it's incredibly stressful to drive through, especially if you're going somewhere local. People tend to *** it too quickly when they think they see an opening. It's a recipe for disaster.

    Anyway, the bike wasn't damaged, the rider seemed ok, and the car wasn't permanently damaged. But I commute through places like this regularly, and I just got a reminder not to let my guard down. Seems worth passing along: be safe out there!
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    Senior Member Titmawz's Avatar
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    Quick question though, was it a brakeless bike ???

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    Lights + reflective things!

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    So true.



    (Still, I'd rather ride through Midtown at 2am than past an elementary school at 8am.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    (Still, I'd rather ride through Midtown at 2am than past an elementary school at 8am.)
    Word !

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    so what made them a hipster? lights and reflectors are more Fredly so maybe it was just a normal cyclist, cured of the hipster-itis.
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    Reflective gear > being dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
    This part of town has little parking and lots of pedestrians, so it's incredibly stressful to drive through, especially if you're going somewhere local.
    Part of what makes bikes more appealing than cars on Capitol Hill (until one is wearing you of course)

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    It is a pity many motorists seem to respond to pedestrian density with worse driving rather than better. If it's dark and rainy and the road has lots of pedestrians, you shouldn't be driving fast enough to injure anyone you hit anyway. "I didn't see you" in that situation is a confession, not an excuse -- driving too fast for conditions.
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    I'm assuming since the rider was described as a "hipster", he wasn't exactly wearing hi-vis reflective gear. I'll bet he had a "hipster cyst" (Knog light) on his 32cm drop bar, at most.

    Riding in traffic is dangerous enough, much less in situations of reduced visibility. When I ride in the rain, I wear a hi-vis rain jacket and have multiple blinkies, in addition to my bright headlight. Reduced visibility is no time for dark skinny jeans and a too tight basketball jersey. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titmawz View Post
    Word !
    Word, indeed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    (Still, I'd rather ride through Midtown at 2am than past an elementary school at 8am.)
    This comment is making me rethink my route home. I currently ride past a virtual parking lot, which is one of my schools as it lets out, to avoid a double left onto the expressway from a three-lane avenue. Now I'm staring to wonder which route is actually more dangerous. Hmm, hmm, hmm.
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    The best advice would be not to ride through that part of the city.
    "Why give some drunk the chance to plaster me against a car? That's why I don't even own a bike light, or one of those godawful reflective suits. Because if you've put yourself in a position where someone has to see you in order for you to be safe -- to see you, and to give a @#$% -- you've already blown it."


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    The trendy part of town you just described sounds a lot like Baxter Ave / Bardstown Rd here in Louisville. I love riding there.

    It's a crazy mix of cars, bikes, pedestrians, skateboarders. You have to be alert. Being visible is helpful too.

    Traffic is usually heavy enough that it moves slowly, so an accident is unlikely to be fatal. It sounds like what you witnessed was minor also.
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    they were just trying to bag their limit during Hipster hunting season.
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    Often the "trendy" parts of town are trendy at least partially because they are more bike and pedestrian friendly. In general, avoiding those areas would be counter-productive.

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    A Friday night, near the weekend, and in downtown where there's probably more than just coffee shops? Recipie for getting hit by DUI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pallen View Post
    Often the "trendy" parts of town are trendy at least partially because they are more bike and pedestrian friendly. In general, avoiding those areas would be counter-productive.
    I dunno about that. I think we're just spoiled here in FtW. That, and parking is not as much of a premium in Fairmount.

    I mean, you can just park all up and down the side streets that intersect Magnolia and not even worry about the people that live on those..... oh, uh, nevermind....
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    There are no trendy parts in my town. I live in South Louisiana. It's a third-world country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titmawz View Post
    Quick question though, was it a brakeless bike ???
    What idiot would ride a bicycle with no brakes? This coming from someone who grew up with coaster brakes (it never occurred to anyone to add a hand brake in case the coaster brake failed?).

    Quote Originally Posted by jputnam View Post
    It is a pity many motorists seem to respond to pedestrian density with worse driving rather than better. If it's dark and rainy and the road has lots of pedestrians, you shouldn't be driving fast enough to injure anyone you hit anyway. "I didn't see you" in that situation is a confession
    In Germany, the courts will definitely saddle your ass in jail for that. If there's children or old people near the road, you have to take your foot off the gas and prepare to stop; proceed at 7kph (5mph) or slower if it comes down to it. If there are people around, it is your responsibility to not hit them--signage may dictate a reduced maximum speed and a change in road etiquette to favor pedestrians (i.e. in primarily low-traffic residential areas), but even without all that it is the responsibility of the driver to not hit anybody with their car.

    Sure, the polize might have something to say to you if you're being a jerk on a bike; but as you scale up to more and more destructive power, they stick more direct responsibility on you. In America we have a concept of sole fault: every accident is somebody's fault, either one party or another, not both. This is ridiculous. If a bicyclist pops in front of a driver riding erratically at night with no reflective gear and no lights, it's his fault for being in the way; if the motorist hits him driving erratically, it is also his fault. Both of you are going to have a long talk with the police and both of you need to stop being stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titmawz View Post
    Quick question though, was it a brakeless bike ???
    There was a front brake, attached to the top on the right side of the chop-n-flop bars.

    Quote Originally Posted by thenomad View Post
    so what made them a hipster? lights and reflectors are more Fredly so maybe it was just a normal cyclist, cured of the hipster-itis.
    Fixed gear bike, beard, ironic tee shirt, and very tight jeans. The point isn't to make fun of hipsters; it's to say I just saw a guy on a bike get it, in a spot that always seemed a little busy to bike through, and everyone ride safe out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by jputnam View Post
    It is a pity many motorists seem to respond to pedestrian density with worse driving rather than better. If it's dark and rainy and the road has lots of pedestrians, you shouldn't be driving fast enough to injure anyone you hit anyway. "I didn't see you" in that situation is a confession, not an excuse -- driving too fast for conditions.
    In fairness, all signs point to the guy not being injured, at least worse than some bruising. We called 911 because it's easy to get hurt and not realize the extent of your injury, and if the guy woke up the next day with some kind of problem, he has a record of the accident now, and should be taken care of. But the driver was going slowly, and handled things pretty responsibly, at least from impact on. It all seemed to go as well as you could ask for. But I'm sure it was no fun, and ruined everybody's day.
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    Does the driver get issued a free "ONE LESS HIPSTER" or "ONE LESS FIXIE" sticker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    I dunno about that. I think we're just spoiled here in FtW. That, and parking is not as much of a premium in Fairmount.

    I mean, you can just park all up and down the side streets that intersect Magnolia and not even worry about the people that live on those..... oh, uh, nevermind....
    hehe, well, I'm also thinking of other towns I've been to recently - S Congress and 6th St in Austin, even Dallas has some cool, walkable spots

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    Really not enough information to go by to determine what if anything someone should do.
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