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Old 07-06-11, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jpatkinson
I will be getting a new commuter in the next couple weeks. I will keep it in my office at work, and plan to use it for errands around town. For locking around town (San Francisco), I plan to go with either the BikeRegistry chain + padlock approach, OR get an Abus chain OR get an OnGuard or Kryptonite chain + u-lock solution. I will just keep the chain in a pannier or strap it on top of the rear rack. The chain seems like the easiest and best option for securing both wheels and the frame, quickly and easily when I am shopping.
Im buying the bikeregistrychain or the chain from tulsa and getting a nice padlock to go with it.I have no 1st hand experience on this(well not yet,Im ordering mine friday) but from what I have seen,the 2 chains I just mentioned are GREAT and super cheap compared to the kryptonite/onguard/abus.Check out the ones from tulsa chain,you can get 3 ft,w/cover delivered for 33bucks.Not bad...Still have to buy a lock,but home depot sells the masterlock pro series locks for around $15.So you can get the bikeregistrychain,w/the abus monoblock lock for $38delivered,or the tulsa chain w/out lock for $33...
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Well I decided to go with the tulsa chain ultimate security version(I wanted the ultimate MAX,but too pricey for my broke butt right now)
I ordered 3ft of this with the red cover.1.60 lbs per ft,so with out the lock it is 4.80lbs,so with a good beefy lock,should round out at less than 6 lbs.That outta add some weight to my JAMIS!!!!


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I use an OnGuard Bulldog mini-U.

On my grocery bike I throw it in the Wald front basket.
On my beater roadie or my CX bike I stuff it in between a couple belt loops or in my back pocket. In the courier bag if I'm carrying that.
The beater roadie is also my commuter and I toss the lock in the pannier if I've brought it.

I have nutted axles on all my bikes so I'm less worried about wheel theft, although it's not impossible. I've got pretty distinct wheels and I've got my security message written on the rim strip, so if it ever ends up in a shop I'd like to think that the wrenches would actually call me. Rim strip says:
"Wheel is property of <real name>. If brought to shop, call <phone number>."
I do all my own wheel work (I built the wheels) so there's no reason my wheels would end up in a shop. If some jackass steals my front and then brings it somewhere, I hope I'd get it back.

I use the Sheldon Method for locking all my bikes, but I live in a low crime area and rarely leave my bike for much more than a pop-in at the grocery. Most of the time I'll even just wheel it in with me.
I locked my brand new CX bike up outside a bar with a concert going on right across the street and I pulled a "hipster high-lock"; hiked it up to the top crossbar of the adjacent fence, hooked the handlebar over top and locked up to the crossbar through the rear wheel. It's tough to pretend you're not stealing someone's bike when you have to work on it 8 feet up in the air. Nobody messed with it.
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Originally Posted by CliftonGK1
I use an OnGuard Bulldog mini-U.

On my grocery bike I throw it in the Wald front basket.
On my beater roadie or my CX bike I stuff it in between a couple belt loops or in my back pocket. In the courier bag if I'm carrying that.
The beater roadie is also my commuter and I toss the lock in the pannier if I've brought it.

I have nutted axles on all my bikes so I'm less worried about wheel theft, although it's not impossible. I've got pretty distinct wheels and I've got my security message written on the rim strip, so if it ever ends up in a shop I'd like to think that the wrenches would actually call me. Rim strip says:
"Wheel is property of <real name>. If brought to shop, call <phone number>."
I do all my own wheel work (I built the wheels) so there's no reason my wheels would end up in a shop. If some jackass steals my front and then brings it somewhere, I hope I'd get it back.

I use the Sheldon Method for locking all my bikes, but I live in a low crime area and rarely leave my bike for much more than a pop-in at the grocery. Most of the time I'll even just wheel it in with me.
I locked my brand new CX bike up outside a bar with a concert going on right across the street and I pulled a "hipster high-lock"; hiked it up to the top crossbar of the adjacent fence, hooked the handlebar over top and locked up to the crossbar through the rear wheel. It's tough to pretend you're not stealing someone's bike when you have to work on it 8 feet up in the air. Nobody messed with it.
Thats kool man,multiple bikes for multiple things...I need to do that.Did you say you "wheel the bike in with you"? Where can you bring a bike into the grocery store with you??? If I did that anywhere around here,I dont think I could get away with it.
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AXA ring lock attached to the frame, front side of the seat stays. that closes around the rear rim/tire.

a chain made for the purpose by them, has a loop link on the end,
so the pin fitting and chain passes thru it, and around the fixed object,
and the pin goes in a locking catch on the right side of the lock,
opposite the key cylinder.
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Originally Posted by the cyclops
Thats kool man,multiple bikes for multiple things...I need to do that.Did you say you "wheel the bike in with you"? Where can you bring a bike into the grocery store with you??? If I did that anywhere around here,I dont think I could get away with it.
It's Seattle's eastside and we're usually pretty laid back about things; but if the grocery wants to complain about my bicycle (which there is no law against, and it's really no different than my wife driving her mobility scoot from our apartment and then through the store) then I'll complain about the women who bring their little "fashion accessory" dogs in, too (which there is a law against.)
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I will post a photo when it's all together, but here is my plan as of today:

How do you lock your bike?
Frame + rear wheel to bike rack; secured front wheel/stem/seatpost

What kind of lock(s) do you use?
I just ordered an Abus 6500; will order front wheel/seat/headset Pitlocks tomorrow

How do you transport these lock(s)?
Frame-mounted to braze-ons

What grade do you think your bike would have gotten?
A
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Originally Posted by jpatkinson
I will post a photo when it's all together, but here is my plan as of today:

How do you lock your bike?
Frame + rear wheel to bike rack; secured front wheel/stem/seatpost

What kind of lock(s) do you use?
I just ordered an Abus 6500; will order front wheel/seat/headset Pitlocks tomorrow

How do you transport these lock(s)?
Frame-mounted to braze-ons

What grade do you think your bike would have gotten?
A
I like the looks and easy transport of those abus bordos,let me know what you think.I too ordered my chain today,so we should have our new security for our bikes around the same day.Ill post pics also.
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I use a U-lock thru the frame (and front wheel when possible) around a pole or bike rack. I also carry a cable for wheels and helmet when I feel the need.

But after reading this thread I am totally going with the Sheldon method... thru the rear wheel, thru the rear triangle with a U-lock around a pole or bike rack.

Thanks.
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Is this just too much???
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lol that chain will weigh more than some bikes
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These are what I use to lock my bike on my patio. I live in a condo and don't trust leaving it in the bike cage.
Kryptonite Fahgettaboutit Mini U Lock and Fahgettaboutit Chain and Disc lock combo. I custom cut some pewag chain that I have wrap against the pillar to use it as anchor.




Chain around the rear wheel and locked against the frame.



U-locked front tire to frame.



pinhead locking skewer


covered, almost looks like a BBQ


When I go out I only bring the Mini U lock and depending on the rack I'll either lock the seat stay and wheel or if doesn't fit I just lock the frame to the rack or post. I got locking skewers for the wheels and seat.
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These are what I use to lock my bike on my patio. I live in a condo and don't trust leaving it in the bike cage.
Kryptonite Fahgettaboutit Mini U Lock and Fahgettaboutit Chain and Disc lock combo. I custom cut some pewag chain that I have wrap against the pillar to use it as anchor.




Chain around the rear wheel and locked against the frame.



U-locked front tire to frame.



pinhead locking skewer


covered, almost looks like a BBQ


When I go out I only bring the Mini U lock and depending on the rack I'll either lock the seat stay and wheel or if doesn't fit I just lock the frame to the rack or post. I got locking skewers for the wheels and seat.

Well I think we have our 1st A+++ of the thread.Nobody is getting that thing unless they were to "case the joint",and by this I mean bring the exact tools they would need,at the precise time to have enough time to get it unlocked...Well done!!!

Is the "anchor chain" 3/8 inch case hardened chain? And where did you get it? I believe it looks like the same links as the "bikeregistrychain,which is also the same kind chain as the one I just ordered from Tulsa chain.
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Originally Posted by Titmawz
lol that chain will weigh more than some bikes
I know right? That thing is at least 25lbs? The NYFU chain my brother has(same as the one in the pics below your post)weighs in at almost 15lbs with the lock,and that chain dwarfs it.
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Well I think we have our 1st A+++ of the thread.Nobody is getting that thing unless they were to "case the joint",and by this I mean bring the exact tools they would need,at the precise time to have enough time to get it unlocked...Well done!!!

Is the "anchor chain" 3/8 inch case hardened chain? And where did you get it? I believe it looks like the same links as the "bikeregistrychain,which is also the same kind chain as the one I just ordered from Tulsa chain.
Thanks for the compliment. Yeah I don't think anyone will get this bike from my patio, plus it's elevated and no one can really see it from street level. In regards to the anchor chain, yes that's the same 3/8 case hardened chain that the bikeregistry sells. Pewag chain is what it's called. I bought it and I got it custom cut to the length I needed at an industrial chain retailer in Surrey a suburb of Vancouver for $6 a foot.
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The locks I had posted in the original picture is gone,sold them today.I sold them for $3less than I paid,so didnt lose too much,and the chain for this new lock comes in for it tomorrow...The pic doesnt really do this lock justice,its a freakin tank.2lbs,haha!!!


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I have a question to your all: What are the circumstances when you have to leave your bike unattended for, say, more than 3 hours, to warrant expensive and heavy locks? (Beside the possibility that you have nowhere to keep your bike at home, so it has to be outside all the time.) Examples: shopping, going to movies...

For me, because I hate carrying heavy chains/kryptonites, I try not to leave my bike unattended as much as I can. If I leave it out of sight in an insecure area it will usually be only a few minutes. I'm Ok locking it with light locks if the area/time is not very prone to bike theft with tools, or if I can always check my bike from a window. If I just go for a ride and don't plan to park the bike during my ride, I simply bring a cable lock for a quick run to a drugstore or toilet on my way.

Bottom line, it seems to me those heavy locks are necessary only if (1) you leave your bike unattended in an theft-prone area for a relatively long time, (2) your bike is expensive/new.

Of course, this opinion comes from someone who what to lighten up as much as possible, and who has yet to be a victim of bike theft.
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I have a question to your all: What are the circumstances when you have to leave your bike unattended for, say, more than 3 hours, to warrant expensive and heavy locks? (Beside the possibility that you have nowhere to keep your bike at home, so it has to be outside all the time.) Examples: shopping, going to movies...

For me, because I hate carrying heavy chains/kryptonites, I try not to leave my bike unattended as much as I can. If I leave it out of sight in an insecure area it will usually be only a few minutes. I'm Ok locking it with light locks if the area/time is not very prone to bike theft with tools, or if I can always check my bike from a window. If I just go for a ride and don't plan to park the bike during my ride, I simply bring a cable lock for a quick run to a drugstore or toilet on my way.

Bottom line, it seems to me those heavy locks are necessary only if (1) you leave your bike unattended in an theft-prone area for a relatively long time, (2) your bike is expensive/new.

Of course, this opinion comes from someone who what to lighten up as much as possible, and who has yet to be a victim of bike theft.
Well if you live in a high crime area(NYC,chicago,etc)where there are professional bike thieves,leaving your bike even for just a sec with a cheap cable lock and you are asking to have it stolen.Now I live on the "outskirts"of the hood,but when I commute I go through some sketchy areas and when I stop somewhere,even for a second I want to know it will be there when I return.So I guess ,for me anyway,I am using these and carrying these for peace of mind.Now I do have a crappy cable lock that I will use occasionaly when Im riding and not expecting to be stopping any where,but when I ride I mostly dont have too much of an agenda.I could end up at the coffee shop,the grocery store,or locking my bike up while I hop off to get a few miles in running.Either way,I wanna make sure my bike is there,plus all the extra weight just makes me stronger.

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Originally Posted by the cyclops
How do you lock your bike?
I believe in the Sheldon Brown method, but since the shackle on my u-lock is large, and therefore vulnerable to bottle jack attack, I prefer to pass it through the seatstays. My chain goes through both wheels and the frame.

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What kind of lock(s) do you use?
Magnum 3000 u-lock, PB Transport/Storage Chain/Mini u-lock combo. Yes, the chain is big & heavy, and in many cases overkill, but its full two meter length means I can lock the bike up anywhere. I try to leave the chain where I would normally park the bike, and when I do I use this cable lock to back up my u-lock.

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How do you transport these lock(s)?
The chain or cable I wrap around the seatpost, and to transport the u-lock I invested in a cool ABUS UGH 02 bracket. Quite slick, IMHO:



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What grade do you think your bike would have gotten?
I'd expect a solid "A".
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And...Here she is....


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Originally Posted by irclean
I believe in the Sheldon Brown method, but since the shackle on my u-lock is large, and therefore vulnerable to bottle jack attack, I prefer to pass it through the seatstays. My chain goes through both wheels and the frame.


Magnum 3000 u-lock, PB Transport/Storage Chain/Mini u-lock combo. Yes, the chain is big & heavy, and in many cases overkill, but its full two meter length means I can lock the bike up anywhere. I try to leave the chain where I would normally park the bike, and when I do I use this cable lock to back up my u-lock.


The chain or cable I wrap around the seatpost, and to transport the u-lock I invested in a cool ABUS UGH 02 bracket. Quite slick, IMHO:




I'd expect a solid "A".
I would expect you would get an A as well! Pic of the chain please!
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the cyclops, agreed, peace of mind, that is very important. (I actually do live in NYC.)

Now another question: what about the wheels and saddle? Most (almost all) people lock them with a crappy cable lock. Why the thieves didn't take these easy stuffs has always baffled me. It is not much better if you come out of the coffee shop and found you bike is missing a wheel, or the saddle, especially if you are far away from home. So in my opinion locking the wheels and seat with cable locks can't provide peace of mind.

Incidentally, the other day I saw a guy in the subway train, who had his own bike in the train, but was also carrying a separate wheel in his hand. He didn't look very innocent to me...
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Originally Posted by vol
Incidentally, the other day I saw a guy in the subway train, who had his own bike in the train, but was also carrying a separate wheel in his hand. He didn't look very innocent to me...
Ha! That may have been me. I have been building my new bike at a co-op workshop, since I don't have all the tools/stand/space I need at home. I hardly bought any parts, as I've cannibalized my other stuff, a friend's old bike, etc, but that means at first I had to carry in not only my frame and fork, for example, but also the frameset from which I was removing the headset, etc. Carrying two frames over my shoulder, a wheel to true in one hand and a fork in another at rush hour, and having to switch trains at least once each way, I've gotten some funny looks (and other gestures.)
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So the real question now is, what mini u-lock to buy... I own a Club Ultra Bike Jr, or something like that. It's made by the same people that make "The Club" for car steering wheels and I can't say anything other than that it hasn't failed me so far for the last few years but my girlfriend just got a bike, so we need a second lock. Here are the requirements:

1. size: I don't want to carry a big chain around. Though I commute, it's mainly because/when I want to, otherwise the subway works fine. I ride because I enjoy it and if I stop enjoying it, there's no point.

2. frame-only needed but room for more is nice: see above; I have wheels, seatpost etc secured through Pitlock, so that I need only quickly clip the lock to something stationary. See above re fun and convenience, plus quickness necessary--if I have to add 5 mins each to secure and unsecure the bike at grocery/cafe, then the 5 min ride vs 20 min walk no longer makes sense. It would be nice, however, to be able to lock 2 bikes to one post w/ one lock when needed.

3. I will carry lock in basket, bag, etc, so accessory mount not really a concern but size/weight is, though not too much of one.

I am prob interested in comparisons of Krypto NY Fahgeddaboutit, OnGuard Mini Bulldog, Club Bike Ultra Jr and other similars.

Anyone know if the Krypto NYFU thing of multiple locks having the same key has been remedied?
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